[GT] Canada Election 2025

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think that if you keep everything the same but Carney is leader of the conservatives and PP is the leader of the Liberals that this thing wouldn't have even been close.

I think public opinion was clearly Carney >>>> PP > Trudeau - so once Trudeau stepped down and Carney stepped in any of those on the fence voters that would have flipped from Liberal to Conservative changed their mind and voted Liberal again.

In the end their adamant push for Trudeau to step down is probably what cost the Conservatives this election.



The part that's always surprising to me is how these things get a foot hold in certain parts of the population. Like I get older people that probably have that view, and even certain trades or people that work in oil and gas.

But I see a lot of well educated people that are under 40 in my timeline sharing that view today (a couple lawyers and nurses) and wondering how they could ever think that separating would actually be a good idea.

If Jean Charest had won the conservative leadership I think he'd be Prime Minister today even with Carney running. PP is really unlikeable.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

That isn't exclusively a western or Albertan issue; you can find a plurality of Canadians coast-to-coast who thought we should ditch the carbon tax (whether it was wholesale or just the part we could actually get rid of without kneecapping trade). But the point is that by and large, AB's votes aren't available to earn. CPC can say whatever and AB will eat it up, doesn't even matter how much of the stuff in their platform they would have had to abandon or dramatically alter due to the fact that at least some of it isn't possible.

My issue is with every party overlooking AB, but only a small portion of that is down to representation, and a much bigger part is because we Always. Fuсking. Vote. Blue. You can't earn Alberta's votes because they aren't available. As Bring_Back_Shantz succinctly put it, Alberta continues to show that -- as an electorate -- it has no idea how to influence federal politics.

Then we’ll have to just disagree, carbon pricing and pipelines are (in my view) issues that affect Albertans more than other provinces. Other provinces have alternative methods of energy production which avoids some of the carbon tax, we don’t have that luxury or capacity (nuclear) yet. If you think pipelines, like I mentioned in my first post, affect all provinces equally I don’t think you and I see eye to eye at all.

How can you say Albertans “always votes blue” when there has been a provincial level NDP majority in the last decade? This province has shown that Calgary and Edmonton can change their votes when a viable option is available. The votes are there and available, but the juice isn’t worth the electoral squeeze. By catering somewhat to the conservative Albertan vote, I think you’d lose out on far more beneficial ridings/political mindsets in other parts of the country.

Now rural Alberta is a different story, but that isn’t specific to the west either.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Disgusted at all the separatists crybabies stomping their feet now
Even read one moron stating that the west should have more seats than the east because of transfer payments
Idiots

Dumb selfish mother####ers can't even comprehend how this works. They somehow think they have worked harder than other Canadians and therefor "deserve" it. But that would ignore the fact that Alberta just happened to be where the most in demand product on Earth happens to have an easily accessible abundance. Albertans haven't done anything any other Canadian would have done(and they even come here to do it!) in the same situation, so there is no entitlement to be clawed back, or reward, or negotiate with, or whatever other dumb thing they think of to be selfish.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How can you say Albertans “always votes blue” when there has been a provincial level NDP majority in the last decade? This province has shown that Calgary and Edmonton can change their votes when a viable option is available. The votes are there and available, but the juice isn’t worth the electoral squeeze. By catering somewhat to the conservative Albertan vote, I think you’d lose out on far more beneficial ridings/political mindsets.

Now rural Alberta is a different story, but that isn’t specific to the west either.

Sorry I think you are wrong.

The sole 4 years of NDP Gov't was snub at the Redford Conservative Party at that time. Between 1971 and now Alberta has always voted blue.

I don't think Albertans are smart or strategic when it comes to Federal voting.

[Reggie Dunlop]

I don't think the Conservatives will be deterred in their drift to the hard right. Too much money involved. They may even get Trumpier.

Look for Leslyn Lewis to make a leadership bid.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Then we’ll have to just disagree, carbon pricing and pipelines are (in my view) issues that affect Albertans more than other provinces. Other provinces have alternative methods of energy production which avoids some of the carbon tax, we don’t have that luxury or capacity (nuclear) yet. If you think pipelines, like I mentioned in my first post, affect all provinces equally I don’t think you and I see eye to eye at all.

How can you say Albertans “always votes blue” when there has been a provincial level NDP majority in the last decade? This province has shown that Calgary and Edmonton can change their votes when a viable option is available. The votes are there and available, but the juice isn’t worth the electoral squeeze. By catering somewhat to the conservative Albertan vote, I think you’d lose out on far more beneficial ridings/political mindsets in other parts of the country.

Now rural Alberta is a different story, but that isn’t specific to the west either.

Perhaps you have forgotten, but the NDP won that based on the vote split on the right. Wildrose and PC's combined for 52% of the vote, and it was only the splits that gave the NDP so many seats. Danielle Smith in the last election? 52.63% of the vote. Consistent!



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_A...neral_election

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I don't think the Conservatives will be deterred in their drift to the hard right. Too much money involved. They may even get Trumpier.

Look for Leslyn Lewis to make a leadership bid.

Definitely.

Modern conservatism doesn't shift or look in the mirror. All they'll do is double down

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I don't think the Conservatives will be deterred in their drift to the hard right. Too much money involved. They may even get Trumpier.

Look for Leslyn Lewis to make another leadership bid.

fixed, I thought she did once already.

Wasn't there an even more deplorable sack of feces that ran as well?

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Alberta once again proves that it doesn't understand how to actually influence national politics.

Why does Quebec get so much say in federal politics? Because their votes are available.
Parties/governments will compromise, or outright bribe Quebec because you need them to win an election.

Why would Liberal governments spend any political capital to compromise with Alberta when they know we won't vote for them?
Why would Conservative governments spend any political capital to compromise with Alberta when they know we will ALWAYS vote for them.

The result is the same, Alberta votes Conservatives to Ottawa, and lo and behold, no matter who is forming government we find ourselves under represented.

Do the results of this Election bode well for Alberta? No, of course not.
Do you think PP et al are looking at the results and saying "Oh man, we really need to focus on things that are important to Alberta"?
The big takeaway from this election is that the Conservatives could be viable in Ontario and Quebec, places they need votes, and seats.

If they're smart the real takeaway is that they need to focus there, and lay off pandering to Alberta.

The next election could very well go Conservative. If not that one, at some point it will, and then all of the CPC voters in Alberta will be all excited about how finally we'll have a say, and Alberta will get whatever it wants. The when that doesn't happen...again...when the next election comes, it'll be another sweep for Conservatives in Alberta so they can go vote for things to prop up support in Ontario and Quebec.

I'm glad Carney won, I voted for Corey Hogan. I'm one of the, far to few, Albertans who understands that if I want my voice to be heard, I need to actually speak in a language that people understand.

Very well said. As an Albertan that moved to a swing state, I can tell you it's awesome. Every vote counts and even when whatever team i back in that election loses, I still get a bunch of infrastructure thrown our way.

Alberta's got some choices in my opinion if they want their voices heard.

1. Take over the Liberal Party with $$$
2. Hold sovereignty votes
3. Swing their vote and stop being part of the locked away base

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Libs up to 169 now! They take one away from the Bloq in the last poll!

Any additional changes? I know they were waiting on special ballots from a bunch of ridings.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Libs up to 169 now! They take one away from the Bloq in the last poll!

166 now


https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elec.../2025/results/

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Any additional changes? I know they were waiting on special ballots from a bunch of ridings.

There are only 8 ridings left now where they are still counting and about 3 or 4 of those look pretty safe. Doesn't look like any more are going to change but the one in NFLD, 3 in Vancouver and Kitchener are all still pretty close. I could see the Liberals ending up with anywhere between 168-170 seats but seems very unlikely they will get a majority.

[FlamesAddiction]

The NDP with their 7 seats are still going to have a lot of sway over the Liberals.

It's really the best position for them. They get to influence policy at a greater level than their support justifies, and then when stuff goes sideways, they can blame the Liberals as is the MO.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The NDP with their 7 seats are still going to have a lot of sway over the Liberals.

It's really the best position for them. They get to influence policy at a greater level than their support justifies, and then when stuff goes sideways, they can blame the Liberals as is the MO.

I wonder about that. I think Carney is in a strong enough position he can just govern. When a confidence vote comes up at least one of the other parties isn't going to want an election - they'd 100% get blamed by Canadians if they force an election right away, and they mostly can't afford it anyway. I suspect we'll get something very similar to what a Liberal majority would do with maybe more talk about compromise and the odd opposition priority but not like last time where the NDP leveraged significant policy changes.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Any additional changes? I know they were waiting on special ballots from a bunch of ridings.

Most of them are settled now. They are at 169 and there are 3 BC Ridings still in play with 2 or 3 polls that have still not been counted... ugh haha

2 with Cons ahead and 1 with the NDP ahead. It's going to be tight. Also the one they stole from the QC is going to a recount as there was only 25 vote lead.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Dumb selfish mother####ers can't even comprehend how this works. They somehow think they have worked harder than other Canadians and therefor "deserve" it. But that would ignore the fact that Alberta just happened to be where the most in demand product on Earth happens to have an easily accessible abundance. Albertans haven't done anything any other Canadian would have done(and they even come here to do it!) in the same situation, so there is no entitlement to be clawed back, or reward, or negotiate with, or whatever other dumb thing they think of to be selfish.

Ya those SAGD and mining sites. Just stick a straw in the ground and ka ching.

Need to educate yourself more on this province, its entrepreneurship and ingenuity, and culture.

[Matty81]

With Liberals adding seats slowly over the last 13 or 14 hours it's becoming a pretty strong minority now, just 3 seats away from a majority. Byelections are going to be pretty crazy over the next 3 years and am sure there will be a few divisive votes put forward by the liberals to try and fracture the blue tories and the reformers to pick up a floor crosser or two.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Most of them are settled now. They are at 169 and there are 3 BC Ridings still in play with 2 or 3 polls that have still not been counted... ugh haha

2 with Cons ahead and 1 with the NDP ahead. It's going to be tight. Also the one they stole from the QC is going to a recount as there was only 25 vote lead.

Where are you getting 169?

CBC has it at 166 and the website refreshes automatically every 20 secs

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Where are you getting 169?

CBC has it at 166 and the website refreshes automatically every 20 secs

I've been using this tracker and it seemed to be on the ball yesterday and today.

https://www.thestar.com/politics/fed...94fa46a36.html

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Where are you getting 169?

CBC has it at 166 and the website refreshes automatically every 20 secs

I have been getting my results directly from Elections Canada. They show 169


https://enr.elections.ca/National.aspx?lang=e