01-03-2023, 01:42 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#922
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to DeluxeMoustache For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 01:58 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#923
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  JohnnyB
					 
				 
				It's surprising to see how recent most of the top four are. I would have thought Hull, Kane, or Modano might be up there. Didn't expect to see three relatively young guys filling 2-4 on that list above guys considered all-time great US players. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
 Hull wasn't US born though- suspect his 1990 year might be the one to squeeze in if so as went 113/131, if not 1991 131/109
 
Kevin Steven may narrowly miss the list twice
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				  
				
					
						Last edited by looooob; 01-03-2023 at 02:07 PM.
					
					
				
			
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 07:54 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#924
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Chucky with a hatty tonight. 20 goals. 47 points. Jeeze.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following User Says Thank You to Manhattanboy For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:01 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#925
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Mar 2006 
				Location: Shanghai 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Manhattanboy
					 
				 
				Chucky with a hatty tonight. 20 goals. 47 points. Jeeze. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
He was the beneficiary of some beautiful passes on each of those goals.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				__________________ 
				 
"If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?"
			 
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:02 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#926
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Manhattanboy
					 
				 
				Chucky with a hatty tonight. 20 goals. 47 points. Jeeze. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
I think most hockey fans knew we were giving up a power forward who would go on to continue to put up 100 points a season. Just need our guys to get going a bit more, but I think it is coming.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:13 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#927
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Manhattanboy
					 
				 
				Chucky with a hatty tonight. 20 goals. 47 points. Jeeze. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
Well at least he won't disappoint in the playoffs this year!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				__________________ 
				Peter12 "I'm no Trump fan but he is smarter than most if not everyone in this thread. ”
			 
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Johnny Makarov For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:23 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#928
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Backup Goalie 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Jul 2012 
				Location: Calgary 
				
				Exp:     
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  JohnnyB
					 
				 
				He was the beneficiary of some beautiful passes on each of those goals. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
And against Arizona…
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:56 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#929
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Mar 2020 
				Location: Dallas 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  JohnnyB
					 
				 
				He was the beneficiary of some beautiful passes on each of those goals. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
And the goalie didn’t stop any of them
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 08:58 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#930
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2021 
				Location: Richmond upon Thames, London 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Johnny Makarov
					 
				 
				Well at least he won't disappoint in the playoffs this year! 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
more time for flip flops and golf carts
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following User Says Thank You to TrentCrimmIndependent For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-03-2023, 11:10 PM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#931
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Celebrated Square Root Day 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Aarongavey
					 
				 
				I think most hockey fans knew we were giving up a power forward who would go on to continue to put up 100 points a season. Just need our guys to get going a bit more, but I think it is coming. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
I don't think that's true at all. I don't care enough to look back, but I remember the overwhelming majority of fans suggesting that last year he was the beneficiary of Gaudreau's amazing season and would fall back down to an 80-90 point player this season.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to jayswin For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 12:54 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#932
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Powerplay Quarterback 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			I think I said it earlier in this thread but it wouldn't impress me if Chucky got 150 points in the regular season, if he also continued to underwhelm in the post-season. 
 
Once he can maintain PPG in the playoffs, it'll be hard to say he's not elite.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				__________________ 
				Matthew Tkachuk apologist.
			 
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following User Says Thank You to cam_calderon For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 01:08 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#933
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2001 
				Location: Vancouver 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  cam_calderon
					 
				 
				I think I said it earlier in this thread but it wouldn't impress me if Chucky got 150 points in the regular season, if he also continued to underwhelm in the post-season. 
 
Once he can maintain PPG in the playoffs, it'll be hard to say he's not elite. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
Only 40 players in the NHL have scored at a PPG pace or greater, and about half of those played in the 80's.  It's a pretty high bar to achieve when scoring typically goes down.  Even Jagr was a hair short a PPG in the playoffs over his career.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				__________________ 
				"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can." 
			 
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 01:13 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#934
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Powerplay Quarterback 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  FlamesAddiction
					 
				 
				Only 40 players in the NHL have scored at a PPG pace or greater, and about half of those played in the 80's.  It's a pretty high bar to achieve when scoring typically goes down.  Even Jagr was a hair short a PPG in the playoffs over his career. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
Admittedly it's a somewhat arbitrary bar. Maybe it should be more like 0.75. Point is, how many great regular season players are there in the NHL who can't raise their game in the playoffs? And how will that affect their legacy?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
				__________________ 
				Matthew Tkachuk apologist.
			 
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 09:03 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#935
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Owner 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Dec 2001 
				Location: Calgary 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  jayswin
					 
				 
				I don't think that's true at all. I don't care enough to look back, but I remember the overwhelming majority of fans suggesting that last year he was the beneficiary of Gaudreau's amazing season and would fall back down to an 80-90 point player this season. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
That was me for sure.
 
Thought we'd see 75 points from him going forward.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Bingo For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 09:57 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#936
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Uncle Chester 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			John Gaudreau was  -1 with 0 shots on goal last night in a 4-0 loss to Ottawa.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	
		
			| 
				
					The Following User Says Thank You to SportsJunky For This Useful Post:
				
				
				
			 | 
			 | 
		 
	 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 10:03 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#937
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Mar 2020 
				Location: Dallas 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Bingo
					 
				 
				That was me for sure. 
 
Thought we'd see 75 points from him going forward. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
Haha I remembered that and a resident cheerleader/police who called everyone Oilers fan if he thinks tkachuk can get more than 70
 
Anyway Tkachuk has exceeded all expectations
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 11:07 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#938
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Dec 2016 
				Location: Alberta 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
	Quote: 
	
	
		
			
				
					Originally Posted by  Aarongavey
					 
				 
				I think most hockey fans knew we were giving up a power forward who would go on to continue to put up 100 points a season. Just need our guys to get going a bit more, but I think it is coming. 
			
		 | 
	 
	 
 
nm 
many people already answered.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 11:18 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#939
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2006 
				Location: San Fernando Valley 
				
				
				
				
				
				
				
				     
			 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			We saw first hand that the guy had massive talent and the only thing keeping him from being a top 10 player was his below average skating.  To his credit he's fit in there incredibly well compared to a lot of other players that change teams.  Also it's probably helping him a lot that there's less defensive structure in Miami compared to Calgary and he's playing a full 2 minutes more per game than at any time in his Flames career.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		
			
			 
			01-04-2023, 11:56 AM
			
			
		 | 
		
			 
			#940
			
		 | 
	
 
	| 
			
			 Franchise Player 
			
			
			
				
			
			
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
			
			
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			I don't think anyone ever questioned his hockey IQ but his ability to step into a new team, new coach, new system and produce has been pretty impressive. I don't know how much "truculence" he's provided but the offensive numbers have exceeded expectations.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	 | 
 
	
		
 
		
		
		
		
		 
	 | 
	
	
	
		
		
		
		
			 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
	 | 
 
 
 
	 
	
		 
	 
 
 
	
		
	
	
	
		
	
	
	
	
	
		
	
		 
		Posting Rules
	 | 
 
	
		
		You may not post new threads 
		You may not post replies 
		You may not post attachments 
		You may not edit your posts 
		 
		
		
		
		
		HTML code is Off 
		 
		
	  | 
 
 
	 | 
	
		
	 | 
 
 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:31 PM. 
		 
	 
 
 | 
 
 
 
     |