[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[PeteLFan]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

When was the last time we picked a home run or bust pick in the first round?

I seriously don't remember.

Dion phanuef, kristopher chucko

[8sPOT]

From the Hockey News:
http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/...?Cgy&DraftID=4
Scouting Report: Played alongside fellow 2004 draft-eligible forward Travis Zajac with Salmon Arm. Has an excellent shot and is never shy about using it. Likes to use the body in the corners but must add more bulk to his 6-2 frame. Is headed to the University of Minnesota, and may remain in the NCAA for the full four years of eligibility because he is several years away from challenging for playing time in the NHL. Must prove he can still score goals as he moves to a higher league, especially because his skating ability is only average. He's a long-term power forward projection.

Impact: The Flames love taking Western Canadian players, so Chucko fits the mold perfectly. He's definitely not ready for the NHL, but should eventually fill a need for the Flames up front. Chucko is headed to the University of Minnesota, and will likely spend at least three years in the NCAA--before embarking on a pro career. Chucko is a long-term investment for the Calgary organization.

Some big differences between Chucko and Jankowski. First would be the skating issue. Chucko was known as a weak skater where as Jankowski is not. Second, Chucko was said to be benefitting from playing with Travis Zajac it is the other way around for Jankowski.

At this point, Jankowski is a project because he hasn't played in a league that offers a higher level of competition. Skill wize, he is top notch, albeit against lesser competition. A lot of the unknown will be answered over the next year.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Great interview with Weisbrod. I apologize if this has been posted already.

Weisbrod said "if Jankowski were two days older, he would have been in the top five next year." (~ 2:10)

http://video.flames.nhl.com/videocen...d=11&id=182589

I don't buy it. Why is he considered such a long, 5-year term project if he's a guaranteed top 5 pick next year? That would still put him four years away from the NHL after next year's draft - who's the last top 5 pick they said that about?

There's lots of first rounds who were a month or less away from being in next year's draft. The whole age thing is way overblown.

[Textcritic]

^
Blake Wheeler was a top-five pick, and he didn't enter the NHL until four years after his draft-year.

And no, I don't think that that Jankowski's age is being overblown. Matt Dumba, Filip Forsberg, Teuvo Teravainen, Andrei Vasilevski, and Olli Maatta were the only other 17-year-olds drafted in the first round, and only Jankowski and Teravainen were born in September 1994. Out of the top-thrity in the draft, there were only two players that were mere days away from the cutoff for next year. By way of comparison, the top two picks in the 2012 draft were very close to the other side of the margin, with birthdates very close to the other side of the cut-off date.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Kharia or Zharkov? And who said that? Just interested, that's all.

Really when you consider the Oilers 2nd round pick was like a late first round pick Moroz was a reach especially considering Collberg was there.

[kyuss275]

I wonder what Iggy thought of the Jankowski pick? If Jankowski goes the route he has said he will take, it could be 6 years until he wears a Flames uniform ( 1 year Dubuque, 4 years college). That would probably be around the time Iggy retires. Iggy was probably hoping the Flames would pick some one that would help them earlier than that. That said things could change and maybe he does not go the college route.

[moon]

I would think Iggy would want the guy the team thinks is the best player long term.

It is unlikely the Flames are getting anyone that is going to have a huge impact on Iginlas career picking at 14 or 21 so going for a quick fix over a guy that the Flames think is better is likely going to work out worse for Iginla and the team.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I wonder what Iggy thought of the Jankowski pick? If Jankowski goes the route he has said he will take, it could be 6 years until he wears a Flames uniform ( 1 year Dubuque, 4 years college). That would probably be around the time Iggy retires. Iggy was probably hoping the Flames would pick some one that would help them earlier than that. That said things could change and maybe he does not go the college route.

If the organization should draft based on what Iggy thinks, they should be fired. Pick the players that are the best fit for your organization, not what makes Iggy feel good.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

If the organization should draft based on what Iggy thinks, they should be fired. Pick the players that are the best fit for your organization, not what makes Iggy feel good.

That's not what i was saying at all. The flames have to do what's best for them, but that does not mean Iggy has to like it. With Iggy on a wait and see aproach, this 1st round pick will not have any bearing on his decision. There were a couple of players available at 14 that could be playing in 2-3 years.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by moon

I would think Iggy would want the guy the team thinks is the best player long term.

It is unlikely the Flames are getting anyone that is going to have a huge impact on Iginlas career picking at 14 or 21 so going for a quick fix over a guy that the Flames think is better is likely going to work out worse for Iginla and the team.

Would he really care that much about a player that will be coming in when he is not on the team?

There were some picks at 14 that probably could have come in 2-4 years.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I wonder what Iggy thought of the Jankowski pick? If Jankowski goes the route he has said he will take, it could be 6 years until he wears a Flames uniform ( 1 year Dubuque, 4 years college). That would probably be around the time Iggy retires. Iggy was probably hoping the Flames would pick some one that would help them earlier than that. That said things could change and maybe he does not go the college route.

I doubt he will play a full 4 years in college. If he is as good as everyone thinks he could be, he will probably be playing for the Flames by the time he turns 21.... basically the 2015-2016 season.
I see him playing 1 year in the USHL and 2 years for Providence.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

That's not what i was saying at all. The flames have to do what's best for them, but that does not mean Iggy has to like it. With Iggy on a wait and see aproach, this 1st round pick will not have any bearing on his decision. There were a couple of players available at 14 that could be playing in 2-3 years.

Well if Iginla thinks anyone from this draft can help win him a cup before he retires, he best ask for a trade.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I wonder what Iggy thought of the Jankowski pick? If Jankowski goes the route he has said he will take, it could be 6 years until he wears a Flames uniform ( 1 year Dubuque, 4 years college). That would probably be around the time Iggy retires. Iggy was probably hoping the Flames would pick some one that would help them earlier than that. That said things could change and maybe he does not go the college route.

Why do we need to keep trying to make Iginla into some sort of villian? I'm sure he would be happy for any kid who is getting a chance to live their dream to play in the NHL. He had to know we weren't picking high enough to find someone that is going to help him right now anways.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Why do we need to keep trying to make Iginla into some sort of villian? I'm sure he would be happy for any kid who is getting a chance to live their dream to play in the NHL. He had to know we weren't picking high enough to find someone that is going to help him right now anways.

He was probably hoping Feaster would be able to trade JayBo for a higher 1st round draft choice.... like we all were.

[HockeyInTheHimalayas]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think Edmonton also drafted some guy they think "can be the best player in the draft" too in the 3rd round. (NOTE: this is nothing against Jankowski... just a noteworthy tidbit)

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Kharia or Zharkov? And who said that? Just interested, that's all.

Originally Posted by Savvy27

It was Zharkov, I think. Except I'm pretty sure he was saying that about himself.

Not at all, Edmonton did not draft him thinking he could be the best player in the draft. It was Zharkov that made waves, stating he thought he was more talented, and could be a better overall player than Yakupov. There was an article on draft day on TSN.ca, where Zharkov was quoted as saying he wanted to be better than his OHL counterpart Yakupov. Edmonton sports radio mentioned this as well.

Additionally, the Edmonton Journal ran a story about this as well a couple days ago.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...483/story.html

The lanky recruit strolled to the podium, settled into his seat, and quickly proclaimed he was more Canadian than Russian. That he was much more talented than some of the 90 players that were selected ahead of him — including Nail Yakupov.

It’s my goal to be better than Yak. It doesn’t matter if he’s my friend or not.....In my opinion, I dropped down this year. I think because I’m Russian; the NHL teams are really scared I will go to the KHL

I know Yakupov. I spoke to him a lot of times. Good guy. But he has pluses and minuses. It’s my goal to be better … I think it makes me more angry and now I will worker harder.

[Phanuthier]

Not that I want to talk about Oiler prospects in this thread, but :
http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/201...the-nhl-draft/

At Red Line, we believe this kid could be the biggest/best sleeper of the entire draft. Prince George is so far off the beaten path teams don’t even travel there for WHL games, much less BCHL contests, so he gets zero exposure. But this kid is big, mean, aggressive, nasty, and guess what… he can score too. Does the dirty work in the corners, bangs bodies and wins battles, and loves to initiate heavy contact. Powerful stride with great balance and gets leverage on his hits. Has surprisingly soft hands and puck skills with playmaking ability. Creates lots of space for smaller teammates and makes everyone braver. Very raw defensiveQ

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Why do we need to keep trying to make Iginla into some sort of villian? I'm sure he would be happy for any kid who is getting a chance to live their dream to play in the NHL. He had to know we weren't picking high enough to find someone that is going to help him right now anways.

Not sure how that makes him seem like a "villian"?

There were no players that could come in at 14 right away to help. There were some players available that 14 that could help in 2-4 years if he was still playing with the flames. These are some of the questions Iggy has to ask himself when deciding whether to stay or not.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure how that makes him seem like a "villian"?

There were no players that could come in at 14 right away to help. There were some players available that 14 that could help in 2-4 years if he was still playing with the flames. These are some of the questions Iggy has to ask himself when deciding whether to stay or not.

Who was the last 1st round pick that could help us out right away in the past 15 years? Just Phaneuf?

Again if Iginla is banking on this years mid round pick to make a decision, he's in big trouble.

[HockeyInTheHimalayas]

Originally Posted by HockeyInTheHimalayas

Not at all, Edmonton did not draft him thinking he could be the best player in the draft. It was Zharkov that made waves, stating he thought he was more talented, and could be a better overall player than Yakupov. There was an article on draft day on TSN.ca, where Zharkov was quoted as saying he wanted to be better than his OHL counterpart Yakupov. Edmonton sports radio mentioned this as well.

Additionally, the Edmonton Journal ran a story about this as well a couple days ago.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/sport...483/story.html

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

I think Edmonton also drafted some guy they think "can be the best player in the draft" too in the 3rd round. (NOTE: this is nothing against Jankowski... just a noteworthy tidbit)

Originally Posted by Savvy27

It was Zharkov, I think. Except I'm pretty sure he was saying that about himself.

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Not that I want to talk about Oiler prospects in this thread, but :
At Red Line, we believe this kid could be the biggest/best sleeper of the entire draft. Prince George is so far off the beaten path teams don’t even travel there for WHL games, much less BCHL contests, so he gets zero exposure. But this kid is big, mean, aggressive, nasty, and guess what… he can score too. Does the dirty work in the corners, bangs bodies and wins battles, and loves to initiate heavy contact. Powerful stride with great balance and gets leverage on his hits. Has surprisingly soft hands and puck skills with playmaking ability. Creates lots of space for smaller teammates and makes everyone braver. Very raw defensiveQ

Not to be intentionally hard on you, it's just semantics in the end (and I realize it's two different prospects), but I just wanted to put the correct facts out there, it brings up the level of discourse on CP, so people aren't just saying things, nothing about you in particular. You originally stated EDMONTON thought this 3rd rounder could be the BEST player in the draft. Now after several other inquiring responses to that post, in your next post, your quote is regarding, REDLINE media (NOT THE EDMONTON OILERS), believing that Jujahr Kharia could be the BEST SLEEPER in the draft. So just to make things clear, your jumping from the Edmonton Oiler's believing that their 3rd rounder could be the best player in the draft, to quoting that REDLINE sports is believing the 3rd rounder could be the BEST SLEEPER in the draft. I'm sorry, but that's just misinformation, there should be higher standards than that.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Who was the last 1st round pick that could help us out right away in the past 15 years? Just Phaneuf?

Again if Iginla is banking on this years mid round pick to make a decision, he's in big trouble.

I have posted twice that no one at 14 could come in straight away. Iggy is not banking on this years pick, but having a player that can help in a couple of years would be more benificial to him than a player that could take 6 years. Anyway i think this is his last year with the flames, so the point is moot.