2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

At least two, depending on how many players are involved.

Well done. I read this in Leslie Nielsen’s voice.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Sandman

With how much the Flames have been linked to Anderson, even back to his CBJ days, I could easily see a deal coming to fruition. I think there’s people in the organization that like him a lot.

I don't mind him but he's the type of player a contender adds to their 4th line for a season or two while being 75% retained.

He's not someone calgary would be interested in I don't think because he does nothing for the future of this team.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I don't mind him but he's the type of player a contender adds to their 4th line for a season or two while being 75% retained.

He's not someone calgary would be interested in I don't think because he does nothing for the future of this team.

Actually that is exactly the type of player the Flames are looking at to gain assets for taking on that contract.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Fans of Anderson? He's a nothing player with no hands and a massive contract for three more years. If there's any interest in him it's from a team looking to acquire assets to take his contract and that's it.

That's pure exaggeration. Anderson may not be a top-6 player anymore, and he's very overpaid, but he's still a useful player. Like I said, he can still use his size, speed, and physicality to cause havok, and he's one of the few Habs who can stand up for his teammates. Go read what Habs fans say about him- he has many detractors, but most would rather keep him than give him away, as they recognize that the team will most certainly miss his physicality. Many also say that he's the perfect guy to keep around for the rebuild.

True, the team that aquires him will be looking for assets to take on his contract, but he's not useless. The game of hockey is more complex than just scoring goals. You need guys who can fold the pastries, but you also need guys who can grill the steaks- look at what TB paid to get Jeannot....

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I don't mind him but he's the type of player a contender adds to their 4th line for a season or two while being 75% retained.

He's not someone calgary would be interested in I don't think because he does nothing for the future of this team.

If Anderson's salary was 25% of what it is now, nobody would be calling him a bum.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If Anderson's salary was 25% of what it is now, nobody would be calling him a bum.

Yeah I honestly have always had a soft spot for him even though he's highly overpaid and underwhelming last few seasons I think he can thrive under a new team and help a team in the playoffs.

He just looks disinterested in Montreal. Zero chemistry.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Kuzmenko is adequate because he’s used very judiciously. On the Flames, he was 16th in the league in offensive zone starts %, and down near the bottom of the league in defensive zone starts. He has to be deployed the right way.

I agree that Kuzmenko needs to be put in situations to succeed. And, I really don't like that offensive zone% stat. It shows Kuzmenko as having 80% oZS in Calgary, and 74.1% oZS with VAN in all situations. That really sounds like a lot.

However if you look at actual numbers(money puck) 65.7% of his shifts at 5 on 5 start on the fly, 14.9%(166) in the O-zone, 13.7%(153) in the neutral zone, and 5.7%(64) in the defensive zone. So he has a bit more than 2 faceoffs in the O-zone per game, and a bit less than 1 in the D-zone.

I guess my point is that you need to shelter Kuzmenko, but you don't need to go out of your way to completely avoid situations where he would need to defend.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

You still need guys to mentor the kids. Guys like Goal-man, Backlund, Kadri, and Weegar are perfect in that role. I'd trade any of them if the offer was right, but wouldn't recommend getting rid of all vets just for the sake of tanking.

I'm not saying get rid of all your vets, as I assume Backlund wants to and should stay.

But you can pick up vets on one year deals to mentor the youngsters by overpaying them, like Chicago did with Foligno.

It's assumed they would only be traded "if the offer was right".

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

However if you look at actual numbers(money puck) 65.7% of his shifts at 5 on 5 start on the fly, 14.9%(166) in the O-zone, 13.7%(153) in the neutral zone, and 5.7%(64) in the defensive zone.

So,even on the fly, few start in the defensive zone.

What the stats show is that his teams consider him a defensive liability and shelter him. Which is great management, use his skills the best way you can.

[Vinny01]

Considering when Treliving traded the 1st to Montreal he thought he had a legit cup contender on his hands for the next 2-4 years the value of getting that pick back is higher now so if taking 3 years of Andersen is the cost then the Flames should be more than willing to pay it. Having 100% control over next year’s draft would bring peace of mind with no weird scenarios where they are giving up a pick in the 2-11 range.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Considering when Treliving traded the 1st to Montreal he thought he had a legit cup contender on his hands for the next 2-4 years the value of getting that pick back is higher now so if taking 3 years of Andersen is the cost then the Flames should be more than willing to pay it. Having 100% control over next year’s draft would bring peace of mind with no weird scenarios where they are giving up a pick in the 2-11 range.

Looking at Montreal's cap situation, I just don't see any reason why they should pay assets to dump Andersson. They have space right now and a lot of money coming off the books next year too.

[Bingo]

Goofy trade proposal for all the reasons above clearly.

But Pospisil (and Zary) were 1 and 2 in actual goal outcomes vs expected goal outcomes last season and it padded their published stats.

All things equal I think they were both heading for an adjustment, and with the defense depleted (transition hammered) I think it gets more pronounced.

Not trying to diminish either player as a future piece, but last season wasn't everything it looked like.

Sharangovich on the other side btw.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Goofy trade proposal for all the reasons above clearly.

But Pospisil (and Zary) were 1 and 2 in actual goal outcomes vs expected goal outcomes last season and it padded their published stats.

All things equal I think they were both heading for an adjustment, and with the defense depleted (transition hammered) I think it gets more pronounced.

Not trying to diminish either player as a future piece, but last season wasn't everything it looked like.

Sharangovich on the other side btw.

I like Pospisil a lot. But he's the kind of player that often regresses, like a Bouma. He has to play an edgy and hardnosed game every night and that's not easy. Players understandably can't maintain that. Plus concussion issues. I think he's a sell high guy if he has another decent year.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I'm not saying get rid of all your vets, as I assume Backlund wants to and should stay.

But you can pick up vets on one year deals to mentor the youngsters by overpaying them, like Chicago did with Foligno.

It's assumed they would only be traded "if the offer was right".

Picking up vets on one year deals, for mentorship purposes, is a gamble. Firstly, any vet signing here, likely doesn't want to win all that bad. Yes, there's a chance they could get traded to a contender, but someone who really wants to win is going to sign with the contender in the first place.

Particularly, when it comes to defence, the last thing you want is to have a group of rookies and nobodies figuring it out. You absolutely need a vet who can teach/lead a system and show the kids what's required in the NHL.

For example, Tanev is the perfect mentor. He's not signing one year deals for the Flames though. The kind of guys who are doing that are guys way past their primes or journeymen.

The fact we are talking about Rasmus, as the ripe old age of 27, as being one of our senior vets, shows that the Flames really have already burnt things down.

I mean sure if someone offers up a first for Pospisil or a top end forward prospect for Andersson, you jump on it, but moving them for lower end assets makes no sense and they do play a valuable role in mentoring the team.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sandman

That's pure exaggeration. Anderson may not be a top-6 player anymore, and he's very overpaid, but he's still a useful player. Like I said, he can still use his size, speed, and physicality to cause havok, and he's one of the few Habs who can stand up for his teammates. Go read what Habs fans say about him- he has many detractors, but most would rather keep him than give him away, as they recognize that the team will most certainly miss his physicality. Many also say that he's the perfect guy to keep around for the rebuild.

True, the team that aquires him will be looking for assets to take on his contract, but he's not useless. The game of hockey is more complex than just scoring goals. You need guys who can fold the pastries, but you also need guys who can grill the steaks- look at what TB paid to get Jeannot....

Salary cap.

Jeannot signed a 2 year $2.665/year contract, and I'd say he plays a much more competitive game than Anderson. Anderson got paid big time for his 27 goal season and then the okay season he had his first year in Montreal. Anderson was a UFA and it was gamble that the Habs took based on Anderson's size and pedigree. It never worked out, and now Anderson gets paid twice what Jeannot does.

If Montreal is willing to retain, then Anderson would absolutely find takers. Without retention, Anderson has negative value.

[Sylvanfan]

I don't think Montreal is under that much pressure to dump Anderson's contract yet. Next year with an anticipated improved team and a couple guys on more expensive deals to me is more likely.

You don't get players with more than an expiring contact at 75% retained. That's typically too much in draft capital for the second retention to make it worthwhile. So if you trade for Anderson, you'll be holding that contract until the last year. That is 15 million spent until you can move him again. So that should be worth a fair bit for a team to dump that. Next year it's down to more like 9.5...which with increased cap maybe becomes first round pick and another inflated but lower cost deal with similar term going back.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Sandman

If Anderson's salary was 25% of what it is now, nobody would be calling him a bum.

I think the flames have enough of that type of guy on the roster, I’d be hesitant to get any more players like that unless the sweetener is massive to the point it wouldn’t make sense for MTL.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I like Pospisil a lot. But he's the kind of player that often regresses, like a Bouma. He has to play an edgy and hardnosed game every night and that's not easy. Players understandably can't maintain that. Plus concussion issues. I think he's a sell high guy if he has another decent year.

Maybe...I see more of a Hathaway type in Pospisil. And that was a guy this organization seemed to regret losing.

His underlyings are strong and he drives play. If you focus on production that might dip a little due to on-ice shooting percentages, but overall I think he's a guy that drives play and brings energy.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Maybe...I see more of a Hathaway type in Pospisil. And that was a guy this organization seemed to regret losing.

His underlyings are strong and he drives play. If you focus on production that might dip a little due to on-ice shooting percentages, but overall I think he's a guy that drives play and brings energy.

Biggest issue with Pospisil is his injury history and play style. He needs to play with an edge to be effective but that is going to draw attention that he might not be able to handle.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Biggest issue with Pospisil is his injury history and play style. He needs to play with an edge to be effective but that is going to draw attention that he might not be able to handle.

Yeah, Hathaway didn't have the concussion issues. And he was playing for $1.5M all that time in Washington. And is now overpaid in PA.

Also - would Calgary have been better off trading Hathaway than letting him walk? Yup.