Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CliffFletcher]

I thought Trudeau has the CBC in his pocket.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I thought Trudeau has the CBC in his pocket.

It's not true until Cory Morgan tweets it!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709873794129502433

Nice try MSM, not today

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nah, its literally the first thing that should be done.



Terrible policy, terrible implementation.



If we want to reduce carbon emissions, we should be exporting more natural gas, building more nuclear & hydro capacity. Not creating a stupid tax that isn't doing any of those 3.



Shocking of course that a 'tax' would increase the cost of everything up and down the chain. But we get a rebate amirite?

I'm not going to debate the effectiveness of carbon taxes, the real world has proven their effectiveness and there's enough academic papers showing their effectiveness it's not really worth the time. Also not going to debate the government building more electricity generation because that's also not really their role. The point of the carbon tax and green tax credits is to make those changes you just suggested

My point is that repealing taxes that these companies have planned for is incredibly stupid. Business needs some type of certainty. Without carbon taxes ccus becomes unviable. Same for other technology. We're finally getting heat pump manufacturers and installers to begin operations in Canada because of the push the carbon taxes. You can't just willy nilly cancel stuff like that for political reasons.

[Fuzz]

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's advisers are divided on the position the party should take on issues of gender identity and diversity, multiple Conservative sources told Radio-Canada.

"We have not yet taken a clear position on the issue," said one Conservative source. "I expected us to go further and move more quickly."

"He'll be clearer when it's beneficial for him," said one Conservative strategist.

Still, the issue of gender diversity concerns Conservatives because they see it as a double-edged sword — an opportunity to make political gains that also would open them up to Liberal attacks.


Sources told Radio-Canada some of Poilievre's advisers are warning the party against trying to make quick political gains with a volatile and polarizing issue.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...987096?cmp=rss


So they don't seem to want to make a decision based on facts and citizen rights, they just want to do whatever earns them the most political points. Good stuff, CPC.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not going to debate the effectiveness of carbon taxes, the real world has proven their effectiveness and there's enough academic papers showing their effectiveness it's not really worth the time. Also not going to debate the government building more electricity generation because that's also not really their role. The point of the carbon tax and green tax credits is to make those changes you just suggested

My point is that repealing taxes that these companies have planned for is incredibly stupid. Business needs some type of certainty. Without carbon taxes ccus becomes unviable. Same for other technology. We're finally getting heat pump manufacturers and installers to begin operations in Canada because of the push the carbon taxes. You can't just willy nilly cancel stuff like that for political reasons.

The effectiveness? Really effective at increasing the cost of living for everyone.

Not really effective at anything else.

This argument is always amusing.
We have market proven ways to reduce emissions.
But we refuse to push in that direction.
Instead we levy taxes onto consumers to increase their cost of living, ability to buy food, pay rent, etc....and tell them its for their own good. At the same time corporate energy companies are driving record profits.

One must be pretty delusional to not see how that is the opposite of 'effective.'

I get the heat pump argument. We are installing water to air geothermal in our new facility to do heating and cooling versus propane, and it has zero to do with the 'carbon tax.'

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...987096?cmp=rss


So they don't seem to want to make a decision based on facts and citizen rights, they just want to do whatever earns them the most political points. Good stuff, CPC.

The next election will be voted on by people’s pocket books.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Yoho

The next election will be voted on by people’s pocket books.

They always are, because people vote with their wallet. That shouldn't stop a party from doing the right thing though. This is exactly why progressives and moderates are leery of the CPC; they have to be dragged kicking and screaming to acknowledge the most basic rights for people.

[Muta]

This really shouldn't be up for debate; it's 2023, the CPC should be fully supporting gender identity and diversity, without debate or question. They will never get consideration for my vote again until they do.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I wouldn't hold your breath. The best you can hope for is the analogue of their position on abortion - i.e., "we won't legislate on this issue".

[Yoho]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710071698748268788

https://twitter.com/user/status/1709962138691776542

[ikaris]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...987096?cmp=rss


So they don't seem to want to make a decision based on facts and citizen rights, they just want to do whatever earns them the most political points. Good stuff, CPC.

Ya it’s like the Liberals are never just simply pandering for votes. Good stuff.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by ikaris

Ya it’s like the Liberals are never just simply pandering for votes. Good stuff.

I mean the CPC keep losing elections, so it's pretty clear that they're not even that good at it.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I mean the CPC keep losing elections, so it's pretty clear that they're not even that good at it.

Good luck to the liberals in the next one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710032429560234059

“The big thing is that if the Liberals want to be competitive in the next election with Justin Trudeau as their leader, there needs to be a significant turnaround on these numbers and a remake in terms of vision, approach and renewal, like some energy," Nanos said.”

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Good luck to the liberals in the next one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710032429560234059

“The big thing is that if the Liberals want to be competitive in the next election with Justin Trudeau as their leader, there needs to be a significant turnaround on these numbers and a remake in terms of vision, approach and renewal, like some energy," Nanos said.”

LOL. If you post it 500 times it will come true!

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poi...987096?cmp=rss


So they don't seem to want to make a decision based on facts and citizen rights, they just want to do whatever earns them the most political points. Good stuff, CPC.

Isn't this what every political party does? Lets not pretend this doesn't happen across the political spectrum

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Good luck to the liberals in the next one.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710032429560234059

“The big thing is that if the Liberals want to be competitive in the next election with Justin Trudeau as their leader, there needs to be a significant turnaround on these numbers and a remake in terms of vision, approach and renewal, like some energy," Nanos said.”

Man, buy a goddammn calendar. 2 years. With this polling they aren't going to pull the trigger before that. And 2 years is a long ass time in politics.

[TorqueDog]

"Conservatives would likely win a majority if election held today: Nanos"

Yeah, and I'd be a millionaire if I'd bought $10,000 worth of Bitcoin back in 2014. What other meaningless hypotheticals shall we bring up? The last two elections should have been the CPC's to lose and they somehow managed to royally screw it up twice now, once by picking a bad candidate, and once by picking a workable candidate and then requiring that candidate do their best impression of a fish out of water every time they were asked a question. Now, in picking an even more divisive candidate in PP, it's clear the CPC is working with a crappy strategy, it's like they don't even want to win.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

"Conservatives would likely win a majority if election held today: Nanos"

Yeah, and I'd be a millionaire if I'd bought $10,000 worth of Bitcoin back in 2014. What other meaningless hypotheticals shall we bring up? The last two elections should have been the CPC's to lose and they somehow managed to royally screw it up twice now, once by picking a bad candidate, and once by picking a workable candidate and then requiring that candidate do their best impression of a fish out of water every time they were asked a question. Now, in picking an even more divisive candidate in PP, it's clear the CPC is working with a crappy strategy, it's like they don't even want to win.

I think this time it's going to be voter fatigue.
People seem to be saying they're just sick of Trudeau and the liberals and they want a change.

Best thing the Liberals can do to stay in power is have Trudeau take a walk in the snow.

[Yoho]

This could make things interesting.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1710401819006931005