CP Mafia 2 - Town Square Showdown - Game Over

[agulati]

Rathji,I am done posting in this thread.

An "idiotic" slip up wastes a day. Sorry townies.

[dsavillian]

At the very least, we've started to cut through the noise. 700+ posts on day one and almost nothing was said

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by devo22

Sliver wasn't modkilled, he was replaced. A modkill would end the day, am replacement wouldn't.

Also don't play the "real time" card ... I live in Europe, your real night is my real day

Scum work undercover of the darkness.......

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by agulati

Rathji,I am done posting in this thread.

An "idiotic" slip up wastes a day. Sorry townies.

Ok then

[starseed]

Originally Posted by Rathji

A couple thoughts on starseed.

When ineedanother declared, starseed rushed to his defense ravenously to the point that I was extremely suspicious of it. He was so over the top in his devotion to follow ineedanother in voting that it was a major contributing factor in increasing my resilience to force ineedanother's hand.

Ravenously? Here are my early posts after the reveal:

Originally Posted by starseed

If no one else claims to be the vigilante, we should get the doctor to protect you tonight, and try to hold off until at least one or two more days to use the kill.

Originally Posted by starseed

That way, we have more info to go on when it happens.

Originally Posted by starseed

Maybe we give it the night to see if someone else claims to be the vigilante, then if no one comes forward, you pick one of those three to lynch, then we could have you kill off one of the remaining two if necessary, or hold off for more info. Provided that the doctor is paying attention and makes sure to save you over night.

I advocated giving time to confirm the reveal. I suspected he was telling the truth, because it would be stupid to lie about being the vigilante of all players. If he were lying, the real vigilante had a clear shot at a mafia player right away, which would have been a big victory for us early on, as we would not only have the early kill, but a proven townsperson leader.

Originally Posted by Rathji

Also, starseed was doing this while seeming to support ineedanother's lead, when it occurs to me that he could have been showing that support because there wasn't anyone that he cared about in the line of fire. This kills 2 birds with one stone as it helps establish him as a rabid townie, while protecting people by directing attention away.

Third, 2 of the targets that he was in support of killing were Townies (GP_Matt and myself). Not many will believe that at this point, but for me it is solid knowledge, of course.

I don't know if this means anything, but it was something I noticed in the wake of the vig reveal, so thought I would post it in case I end up getting wacked. Although, with all the people painting lukewarm tarkets on my back, I wouldn't be suprised if the Mafia left me alone, hoping for a friendly fire kill

I looked back at the pre-vig-reveal stage, and I saw that it was GP_Matt who planted the idea of a blind voting block in my head. (he also thought having the cop come out early would be a good idea, which made me suspicious, but obviously he turned out to be town)

I thought that a blind voting block could be an effective strategy with a proven townie leader, so I started pushing for that strategy. I am pushing for the strategy of having him decide on the target going forward, not just isolated to his early picks. It is not in the interests of the mafia to want a townie decide on the group lynches. (which is why I fully expected push back to the idea, even if indirect)

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by agulati

Rathji, done posting in this thread.

An "idiotic" slip up wastes a day. Sorry townies.

It is too bad if you end up being a townie, but realistically you have to know that with the lack of evidence in general within this game, something like this is just far too suspicious. Townies are playing from behind as it is, I guess thats why people have been proof reading most of their posts.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by starseed

I advocated giving time to confirm the reveal. I suspected he was telling the truth, because it would be stupid to lie about being the vigilante of all players. If he were lying, the real vigilante had a clear shot at a mafia player right away, which would have been a big victory for us early on, as we would not only have the early kill, but a proven townsperson leader.

If it was a lie and he wasn't the vigilante, why would the real vigilante waste their kill on him? Just sit back and let the pressure of our votes force the liar to be exposed. If the liar didn't do the kill he would have been lynched and we killed a Mafia member PLUS the real vig still had their kill power.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

If it was a lie and he wasn't the vigilante, why would the real vigilante waste their kill on him? Just sit back and let the pressure of our votes force the liar to be exposed. If the liar didn't do the kill he would have been lynched and we killed a Mafia member PLUS the real vig still had their kill power.

The 'real' vigilante would not be wasting a kill, as we want it to be directed towards a mafia member. And yes, your vote for him after the reveal was pressuring him to act quickly.. use his kill at a stage of the game where we had little info to go on. That was not the smart strategy, so I said give the 'real' vigilante a chance to expose the mafia member. If they hadn't, then we would still have ineedanother's kill to use in the later rounds.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by HalifaxDrunk

If it was a lie and he wasn't the vigilante, why would the real vigilante waste their kill on him? Just sit back and let the pressure of our votes force the liar to be exposed. If the liar didn't do the kill he would have been lynched and we killed a Mafia member PLUS the real vig still had their kill power.

Pressuring him into using the kill wasted the kill.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by starseed

The 'real' vigilante would not be wasting a kill, as we want it to be directed towards a mafia member. And yes, your vote for him after the reveal was pressuring him to act quickly.. use his kill at a stage of the game where we had little info to go on. That was not the smart strategy, so I said give the 'real' vigilante a chance to expose the mafia member. If they hadn't, then we would still have ineedanother's kill to use in the later rounds.

He would have been lynched for sure if he didn't do the kill, that is a sure thing.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Pressuring him into using the kill wasted the kill.

There was no way he was getting past the day with the kill and we had such incomplete information that it was pretty much random.

Clearly not a shining moment for me, since I kicked off the whole ordeal.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Rathji

There was no way he was getting past the day with the kill and we had such incomplete information that it was pretty much random.

Clearly not a shining moment for me, since I kicked off the whole ordeal.

Yeah, it would have been much better to agree that the real vigilante should kill him, and if he doesn't we assume he's the vig. Basically we just did a random kill at the start of the game.

[HalifaxDrunk]

Originally Posted by Rathji

He would have been lynched for sure if he didn't do the kill, that is a sure thing.

This was my thinking too. The counter argument would be to have the doctor protect him. However it was not a sure thing he would have been protected by the doctor or even targeted. It is true the kill was wasted but only because it didn't get scum. There is no guarantee it would have struck a Mafia target later in the game either.

He said he was going to do the kill, I thought making him live up to that was the best option at the time. Turns out it wasn't.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Let's take up strombad's suggestion later and lynch him. I'm fairly sure he's Mafia.

What an interesting theory. Please, do go on.

Kind of just more "necessary" posts. Gets called out for being quiet and not voting, responds with his vote and almost no information. His case against a pretty strong argument against him? "Let's lynch strombad MAYBEE HE THE MAFIA"

Brilliance.

Since Agulati is going home with or without my vote, I'm going to vote ActiveStick. Just for the sake of it. SOMEONE'S GOTTA DO IT!

Unvote
Vote: ActiveStick

YAY ME.

[kermitology]

Last post before I fly off to Toronto, in case folks wonder why I've stopped posting. Won't be able to post much until Thursday, setting up some stuff for the Canadian Tire AGM.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by kermitology

Last post before I fly off to Toronto, in case folks wonder why I've stopped posting. Won't be able to post much until Thursday, setting up some stuff for the Canadian Tire AGM.

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Originally Posted by Baxter Renegade

What for? Whack a guy? Off a guy? Whack off a guy?

[CaptainCrunch]

We'll its been an interesting two days, it doesn't look like Agulati is going to save himself, I was hoping that he would post something that would make me step back and unvote which was my ideal result, but man that mistake was huge.

My brain is saying mafia person posting in the wrong forum. My gut is telling me, guy was the victim of the lack of editing ability of the game.

But I can't go against my head here, and I have a rare night off from coaching so I won't be here much.

This is weird its like the executioner waiting for the phonecall from the governor that's never going to come.

[Lego Man]

The way agulati has given up reminds me of someone whom is innocent.

If you look back at how townspeople have reacted when faced with being killed... there are some similarities.

I won't change my vote though... this game needs to progress past pointless conversation.

[Hockeyguy15]

Or he could just be keeping quiet so he doesn't give anymore tells on who the mafia are.

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Or he could just be keeping quiet so he doesn't give anymore tells on who the mafia are.

Looking at it from a neutral point of view... it looks like too stupid of a mistake for Mafia to make. My intuition tells me it was a mistake.

Odds are we will vote out a townsperson regardless at this stage of the game, so I'm not too bothered.

Has anyone considered voting for Completely? His posting style suggest he is hiding something...