2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Didn't rasta say they have an internal Christmas deadline or something?

I'm sure that's not in concrete, but it might speak to a mid season, pre deadline, fish or cut bait.

They probably do. You certainly aren't waiting until the deadline to see if they'll sign - something like 20-30 games in is plenty. At that point, if unsigned, you pivot and start talking to other teams who, also by that time, know if they are looking to add.

That leaves you about 2 months to get something done, with the deadline being a slam dunk, if it goes that far.

[SuperMatt18]

In the end with both Lindholm and Hanifin I think you're waiting for cap to open up for teams this season (retention and slotting space as the season goes on), and then for teams that also want to re-sign the player so it's not a pure rental.

That combination of things probably gets you the best return.

Buffalo has locked up their young core now...so wonder if they would look at Hanifin because they've been porous defensively and wanted to take a step forward this year.

Columbus still feels like the most interesting fit for Lindholm - if they get off to a decent start and can stay in the playoff picture they could make a move I think.

Carolina remains the other team for Lindholm - BrindAmour loves him and they had a great relationship and I think they could look to really go all in.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Some team with playoff/cup intentions will have a major injury to a top 4 dman/top 2 center and at that time Hainifin/Lindholm will look real enticing to save their season. No rush.

That's true, but Hanifin still won't be the only option. A guy like Dumba, Gostisbehere , Dillon, or DeMelo might be had for cheaper. Lindholm probably doesn't have any comparables. The only centers I can think of as rentals are Novak and Monahan.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Freeway

It's a 192-day season, so Lindholm's $4.85M deal would have a pro-rated $1.06M cap hit if traded at the deadline. $530,000 at full retention.

Now do Hanifin!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

Now do Hanifin!

Just take Lindholm's $4.85 and prorate it to Hanifin's $4.95...

$1.06M x 4.95 / 4.85 = $1.08M (and $540K if fully retained)

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just take Lindholm's $4.85 and prorate it to Hanifin's $4.95...

$1.06M x 4.95 / 4.85 = $1.08M (and $540K if fully retained)

I believe a third team could get involved to retain half of the half as well.

Both players could be added to cup contenders for, basically, AHL salaries.

[EVERLAST]

I haven't seen it mentioned but regardless of $$ involved in making trades when certain guys get dealt the room changes and guys revolt a little bit ....

Lindholm getting traded may not have the best results for the team after all regardless of the $$$$ so we need to be careful we may not get what we wished for like had we waited and been patient.

Saying that still doesn't make me happy as he Hanifin and others wanted out and are still here.
Well....show us then. Prove us wrong then you can pull a Johnny Tkachuk if u
You want and well easily find a replacement who wants to be here.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Is there any kind of lateral skill hockey trade out there for Lindholm?

Since ownership is bullish on the "just get in" approach..

Someone like Konecny? Flames get younger, but Flyers get the center vs winger (not ideal, but better than underwhelming picks that potentially don't pan out).

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Is there any kind of lateral skill hockey trade out there for Lindholm?

Since ownership is bullish on the "just get in" approach..

Someone like Konecny? Flames get younger, but Flyers get the center vs winger (not ideal, but better than underwhelming picks that potentially don't pan out).

Makes zero sense for Philly as they are rebuilding. Teams who want Lindholm are adding to their team for a playoff run and the only roster players coming back will be dumps.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Is there any kind of lateral skill hockey trade out there for Lindholm?

Since ownership is bullish on the "just get in" approach..

Someone like Konecny? Flames get younger, but Flyers get the center vs winger (not ideal, but better than underwhelming picks that potentially don't pan out).

You wonder about the Flames pulling a Canucks like Horvat+2nd for Hronek, +Raty+Beauvillier+4th

Would they get some futures for Hanifin/Lindholm and flip them for Konecny?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Is there any kind of lateral skill hockey trade out there for Lindholm?

Since ownership is bullish on the "just get in" approach..

Someone like Konecny? Flames get younger, but Flyers get the center vs winger (not ideal, but better than underwhelming picks that potentially don't pan out).

I thought a lateral trade would've been Scheifele. Reinhart, or Nylander could be a lateral move. I think that someone like Knoecny doesn't make sense because PHI would be looking for futures.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Well, it seems you are looking at that example in a vacuum.

First of all, the Canucks didn’t get a 3rd liner and a top 4D, they got a top 9 player, a prospect, and the 17th overall pick in what has been considered as the deepest draft in a decade, or more? What the Canucks decided to do with that pick was their choice. That’s hockey currency. The Canucks spent it but they also could have put it in the bank. That’s what I’m talking about when it comes to Conroy’s options. He could load up on draft capital or he could use that capital to acquire NHL ready players or NHL players. Or, he could resign some/all of the pending UFA’s. simply put, Conroy has options.

If the Flames traded Lindholm for a similar package would you be upset? If they traded him to Columbus or Detroit for a package of similar value, that would upset you?

I’m confused because a lot of people who seem to be clamouring for a rebuild are also the ones who are complaining about the team’s current state even if it is leading them into the rebuild they, ironically, desperately want.

A mid 1st in a deep draft would be fine. I would have no issue with that. Assuming they drafted the player. The part where I'm not sold on is being competitive and rebuilding at the same time. You lose Lindholm and you're likely a non playoff team. You use the assets to try and replace him then you're not rebuilding.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Hackey

A mid 1st in a deep draft would be fine. I would have no issue with that. Assuming they drafted the player. The part where I'm not sold on is being competitive and rebuilding at the same time. You lose Lindholm and you're likely a non playoff team. You use the assets to try and replace him then you're not rebuilding.

You would be fine with trading Lindholm for a mid 1st?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You would be fine with trading Lindholm for a mid 1st?

Mid-1st sounds good!

…so long as it comes with a top/good prospect (or two) and a 2nd?

Meier returned a 1st + former 1st + 2nd + former 2nd + 7th.

Lindy, given age, probably returns slightly less.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Mid-1st sounds good!

…so long as it comes with a top/good prospect (or two) and a 2nd?

Meier returned a 1st + former 1st + 2nd + former 2nd + 7th.

Lindy, given age, probably returns slightly less.

And the other Lindy sat Meier for the whole 3rd period last night
Ouch.

[mjk123]

Trade Hanafin - the US guys never stay with us.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

And the other Lindy sat Meier for the whole 3rd period last night
Ouch.

Oooff, that's ruff.

[Vinny01]

The one thing that continues to be clear for me is this team needs to trade Lindholm and Hanifin. Ideally they would be able to keep both but they simply can’t with Kadri and Huberdeau on the books. I suppose they could sign Hanifin but I just don’t think it will be worth it.

This team should be all about a 3 year retool to try and ice the best team for the new barn. Lindholm and Hanifin are both looking very solid this year so hopefully they can get us a solid return.

[Heavy Jack]

You have to think between the two players we’d be getting at minimum two top prospect pieces whether those are 1sts or high end blue chippers, along with a couple mid-ranged prospect pieces and some roster players. I’m leaning this way too, with the arena now confirmed the goal should be icing the most exciting team possible for when it goes live. Not sure how much longer I’d want to wait on contract discussions with either Lindy and Hanafin at this point as well, the sooner a decision is made the better because we really aren’t in a position to risk injuries on these pieces.

[woolymammoth]

Tij Iginla is draft eligible 2024. Flames need to trade both at deadline and position themselves for this.