Israel declares war on Hamas

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

but if that was a Hamas fighter shooting a Jewish kid he would be giving a hero's dinner and a hostage to rape,abuse and kill.

Which would be disgusting to reward and glorify a sick depraved act.

Like taking some so called sadistic depraved soldier known only for raping detainees and making a TV celebrity out of him.
And protesting over the right to rape.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Serious question - what would Israel do that would make you stop supporting them?

I will support any country fighting savage terrorism forever, I support Ukraine and despite the risks actually would support NATO upping the anti and pushing Russia the hell out of there, had I'd been alive in 1945 I would have supported the US bombing the hell out of Japan too. War is ugly, cruel and unnecessary but I support counter-punchers 100%, why? because if you don't crush them it never ends.

To answer your question, I won't support any country attacking another because of greed, religion or culture differences.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I will support any country fighting savage terrorism forever, I support Ukraine and despite the risks actually would support NATO upping the anti and pushing Russia the hell out of there, had I'd been alive in 1945 I would have supported the US bombing the hell out of Japan too. War is ugly, cruel and unnecessary but I support counter-punchers 100%, why? because if you don't crush them it never ends.

To answer your question, I won't support any country attacking another because of greed, religion or culture differences.

Full extermination of the population in Gaza?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GGG

Full extermination of the population in Gaza?

Bait tricks? That won't happen and you know it, how about Hamas return what left of the hostages, leave Gaza and save everyone.

Here's another, how about the other Arab nations that harbour the Hamas leaders turn them in, they'll be known as hero's in the future.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Bait tricks? That won't happen and you know it, how about Hamas return what left of the hostages, leave Gaza and save everyone.

Here's another, how about the other Arab nations that harbour the Hamas leaders turn them in, they'll be known as hero's in the future.

Not bait, it seemed like from your post you justified the dropping of Nukes on Civilian populations. I think it’s reasonable to ask how for you are willing to go.

If Hamas doesn’t return the hostages can keep dropping bombs until they do?

So can Israel nuke nations harbouring Hamas operatives?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GGG

Not bait, it seemed like from your post you justified the dropping of Nukes on Civilian populations. I think it’s reasonable to ask how for you are willing to go.

If Hamas doesn’t return the hostages can keep dropping bombs until they do?

So can Israel nuke nations harbouring Hamas operatives?

Dropping the bombs in WWII probably saved Japan from total inhalation or at the very least saved millions of lives but lets be clear Israel doesn't need to use nukes to weed out these crazy savages just yet, the future looks bleak though, unless there's a miracle I give the middle east 30 years max before much if it is made of glass. After all, we humans are violent idiots bent on killing each other.

[Party Elephant]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Dropping the bombs in WWII probably saved Japan from total inhalation or at the very least saved millions of lives but lets be clear Israel doesn't need to use nukes to weed out these crazy savages just yet, the future looks bleak though, unless there's a miracle I give the middle east 30 years max before much if it is made of glass. After all, we humans are violent idiots bent on killing each other.

Jesus Christ

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Dropping the bombs in WWII probably saved Japan from total inhalation or at the very least saved millions of lives but lets be clear Israel doesn't need to use nukes to weed out these crazy savages just yet, the future looks bleak though, unless there's a miracle I give the middle east 30 years max before much if it is made of glass. After all, we humans are violent idiots bent on killing each other.

Why can’t you answer GGG’s question directly?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Dropping the bombs in WWII probably saved Japan from total inhalation or at the very least saved millions of lives but lets be clear Israel doesn't need to use nukes to weed out these crazy savages just yet, the future looks bleak though, unless there's a miracle I give the middle east 30 years max before much if it is made of glass. After all, we humans are violent idiots bent on killing each other.

Who is launching the Nuke that turns the mid east to glass?

To clarify your position if Israel “needed” a nuke it could drop one on Gaza. What would need look like? You scoffed at my comment asking about the extermination of the Civilans in Gaza but it appears you leave the door open to finding exactly that acceptable based on the “just yet” comment.

Am I correct in your interpreting your position as Israel can use whatever means they feel is necessary up to and including nukes without regard for civilian casualties to eliminate Hamas?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who is launching the Nuke that turns the mid east to glass?

To clarify your position if Israel “needed” a nuke it could drop one on Gaza. What would need look like? You scoffed at my comment asking about the extermination of the Civilans in Gaza but it appears you leave the door open to finding exactly that acceptable based on the “just yet” comment.

Am I correct in your interpreting your position as Israel can use whatever means they feel is necessary up to and including nukes without regard for civilian casualties to eliminate Hamas?

I don't see how you aren't correct on that assumption, and that of pretty much all the justifiers of Israel's actions in this thread. Because any criticism of any action is met with "so Israel can't defend themselves???"" Which is a pretty clear indicting that they believe any and all actions are justified, their is no limit to the amount of "defense" Israel can deploy. Pointing out the monstrous outcomes does not result in them considering "hrmm, maybe their should be a limit, maiming innocent children and slaughtering their parents does seem a bit inhumane." Nope. That's how you know what they really believe, even if they won't type the exact words.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who is launching the Nuke that turns the mid east to glass?

To clarify your position if Israel “needed” a nuke it could drop one on Gaza. What would need look like? You scoffed at my comment asking about the extermination of the Civilans in Gaza but it appears you leave the door open to finding exactly that acceptable based on the “just yet” comment.

Am I correct in your interpreting your position as Israel can use whatever means they feel is necessary up to and including nukes without regard for civilian casualties to eliminate Hamas?

That’s the exact type of answer I was expecting from someone with his post history. Israel can essentially do whatever they want in their eyes - nothing would ever cause them to stop supporting Israel, because in their eyes, they are fighting “savages” and therefore are able to use any means necessary.

Snuff, you stupidly keep saying “no one has provided an alternative to Israel’s current strategy”. This is false. You keep ignoring and turning a blind eye to everyone saying that Israel can defend itself without indiscriminate bombing of civilians and complete destruction of their infrastructure.

It is insane to me that with the assassination of the Hamas official in Iran and the pager attack, you can clearly see the level of intelligence, planning, and precision with which Israel can infiltrate and operate, but then supporters of this disgusting war give them carte blanche to continue to completely destroy Gaza and the West Bank, murdering civilians as if there’s zero alternative.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

Sure they are. USSR and UK all felt much safer politically and militarily by decimating Germany. US also felt safer by nuking Japan. Destroying terrorist infrastructures is very effective. It’s neither easy nor quick to recruit people who are ready and willing to die on a moment’s notice. It’s neither easy nor quick to re-stock missiles and re-build launch bunkers. These events go hand-in-hand. Provocations from militant groups are useful in these types of conflicts, because they allow for justification of a lot of military response action without too much international pushback. Israel understands it well and is using it to get as much advantage against Hamas and Hezbollah as they can. Why wouldn’t they? US will soon tell them to stop and retreat and then there will be another decade of smouldering peace and quiet before the next provocation.

I don't know if I necessarily agree with what you are saying with that. I think that Germany and Japan were safer after the war because the United States poured huge amounts of capital into rebuilding the nation after the war. If you want to look back at the effects of having a nation with no capital and that has been decimated by the effects of war, you can look at Germany post World War I but it gives you a much different perspective.

I think that the actions of Israel have led to there being a lot of very justified hate being directed toward the nation. It is a lot easier for someone to recruit when they have lost their families and their livelihoods, with their homes being reduced to a pile of rubble. That situation is what creates extremist beliefs, because they have lost everything. Those people are easy to mold and manipulate on a larger scale because they have lost the things in life that people care about. On a larger scale they become reliant upon the organization that you are fighting (Hamas) to fulfill their basic needs of life and are more prone to being indoctrinated as a result.

I just fail to see how this makes Israel any safer 5-10 years from now.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GGG

Who is launching the Nuke that turns the mid east to glass?

To clarify your position if Israel “needed” a nuke it could drop one on Gaza. What would need look like? You scoffed at my comment asking about the extermination of the Civilans in Gaza but it appears you leave the door open to finding exactly that acceptable based on the “just yet” comment.

Am I correct in your interpreting your position as Israel can use whatever means they feel is necessary up to and including nukes without regard for civilian casualties to eliminate Hamas?

Not correct, Israel is not going to nuke Gaza and won't nuke anyone unless it's provoked by someone nuking them, when I said the future looks bleak I worry someone like Iran with it's proxies using nukes in the next few decades.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Not correct, Israel is not going to nuke Gaza and won't nuke anyone unless it's provoked by someone nuking them, when I said the future looks bleak I worry someone like Iran with it's proxies using nukes in the next few decades.

So you answered the first question.

But you seem reluctant to answer the second two.

If Israel nuked Gaza without having a nuclear weapon used against them would you support that? Your “just yet” comment implied that there may be a time when nuking gaza was appropriate

Essentially what action would Israel have to take in terms of Gazans deaths for you to say that crossed the line?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GGG

So you answered the first question.

But you seem reluctant to answer the second two.

If Israel nuked Gaza without having a nuclear weapon used against them would you support that?

Essentially what action would Israel have to take in terms of Gazans deaths for you to say that crossed the line?

No I wouldn't, but I have no doubt that Israel would never be the first to use a nuke against someone ever, why? because they would never have to, despite it's size Israel's military is among the world's most potent, it's air force alone could kick the crap out of probably anyone in the region.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

No I wouldn't, but I have no doubt that Israel would never be the first to use a nuke against someone ever, why? because they would never have to, despite it's size Israel's military is among the world's most potent, it's air force alone could kick the crap out of probably anyone in the region.

Then what was the point of comparing this situation to dropping bombs on Japan when the US were the first and only ones to use nuclear weapons, saying Israel doesn’t need to use them “yet”?

Do you not know your history?

You also ignored GGG’s question about where your line is.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

No I wouldn't, but I have no doubt that Israel would never be the first to use a nuke against someone ever, why? because they would never have to, despite it's size Israel's military is among the world's most potent, it's air force alone could kick the crap out of probably anyone in the region.

Okay so we are slowly getting there a first strike nuclear attack you would consider unacceptable. That is in agreement with lots of the people you think hate Israel so at least there is some common ground.

So where is your line. You are good with the war causing starvation and good with the safe zone bombing to hit targets hiding in safe zones. So what outside of nuking gaza would also cause you to criticize them?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by GGG

So where is your line. You are good with the war causing starvation and good with the safe zone bombing to hit targets hiding in safe zones. So what outside of nuking gaza would also cause you to criticize them?

My dude, you’re doing it again.

Look at the two things you’ve noted he’s ok with. He’s already told you who he is. What do you care about his additional views on a nuke?! If he said no nukes, is that really worth anything from a person you note will starve innocent humans and bomb them in safe zones?

smh

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by GGG

Okay so we are slowly getting there a first strike nuclear attack you would consider unacceptable. That is in agreement with lots of the people you think hate Israel so at least there is some common ground.

So where is your line. You are good with the war causing starvation and good with the safe zone bombing to hit targets hiding in safe zones. So what outside of nuking gaza would also cause you to criticize them?

I've said it many many times, Hamas has to go, unfortunately there's going to be a lot of innocent deaths because of the way Hamas does it's business. Israel is not stopping this time.

I've also said many times how I would do it reducing a lot of innocent deaths, I also wish leaders of other countries cared about the Palestinian people as much as we do but sadly they would rather protect the high ranking scumbag Hamas in palaces and watch Palestinian's die.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I've said it many many times, Hamas has to go, unfortunately there's going to be a lot of innocent deaths because of the way Hamas does it's business. Israel is not stopping this time.

I've also said many times how I would do it reducing a lot of innocent deaths, I also wish leaders of other countries cared about the Palestinian people as much as we do but sadly they would rather protect the high ranking scumbag Hamas in palaces and watch Palestinian's die.

Watching Palestinians die doesn’t really seem to be a deal breaker for you, so I’m not sure why you’re pretending that is a point of criticism.

But it’s interesting that “what would Israel have to do to deserve criticism” is a question that seems totally impossible to answer to the point of avoiding it in half a dozen ways. But that seems to be a common trait of people some people here.