2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 868904

I’m so sick of this BS, if you need to be paid more than market to be here than F off!

Flames just need to forget this idea of paying top dollar for UFAs because they ALWAYS have to outbid and pay above market.

Just focus on drafting and development and use the leverage you have on entry levels and RFAs and learn to let go and move on when the leverage swings to the player.

You CAN build good teams and possibly a winner like this; this is the Carolina strategy.

Trade Lindholm for young players / picks / prospects. You know you are going to have to stockpile young assets in order to get rid of the Huberdeau and Kadri contracts in a few years. Acquiring young cost efficient assets should be the mantra of this organization. Not just now or “in a cycle”, always it should be the mantra, know what your market is, it is an “undesirable”, deal with it.

Agreed, but I don’t think there is any realistic team with available cap space that wants to give up futures.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed, but I don’t think there is any realistic team with available cap space that wants to give up futures.

His cap hit at the deadline is very attractive.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Lindholm's current contract is still a huge bargain today. With 50% retention, name a contending team that wouldn't want to add another #1 centre who is reliable on both sides of the puck?



AFAIK, Lindholm's cap hit at the deadline will be (assuming I have the math right) $1.1 million (before retention). (4.850million)x(42/185). (cap hit)x(42 days left in the season divided by a 185 day season).



Name a contender that can't squeeze 550k at the deadline somehow after the Flames retain. That's a ridiculous add for Colorado, for Tampa, for Carolina, NOT for Edmonton, for New Jersey, for whomever else considers themselves a contender. I would imagine that the bidding war would be fairly large.


If Hanifin doesn't re-sign by then, then he would be in the same boat with teams adding him onto the roster for below league minimum at the deadline (with the Flames using their second slot on max retention).


Both would probably return a healthy injection of picks and a good prospect.



I am on the fence on whether or not the Flames should re-sign Lindholm. I really am. I have stated many times that I prefer having the Flames enter into a formal rebuild as I don't really see a contender here. However, I also think that simply doing an excellent job through the draft and prioritizing that can lead to building a contender without having to tear it down, and I do feel Calgary is a good enough organization in terms of drafting and development to do that.



At this point, I just want to see what Lindholm would actually return as an asset that brings a cap hit under a league-minimum deal (assuming, once again, that I have my math right). There would be zero playoff-bound teams (and a few that are close hoping to sneak in) that wouldn't call Conroy.

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I could see him getting a 9x7 in Free Agency, I know I would rather have Lindholm at 9 million over Kadri at 7.

[Moneyhands23]

I like Lindy, but if he wants more than 8.5x7 I'm up for the trade.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

His cap hit at the deadline is very attractive.

Agreed, but I think he was suggesting trading him now if he won’t sign.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Lindholm's current contract is still a huge bargain today. With 50% retention, name a contending team that wouldn't want to add another #1 centre who is reliable on both sides of the puck?



AFAIK, Lindholm's cap hit at the deadline will be (assuming I have the math right) $1.1 million (before retention). (4.850million)x(42/185). (cap hit)x(42 days left in the season divided by a 185 day season).



Name a contender that can't squeeze 550k at the deadline somehow after the Flames retain. That's a ridiculous add for Colorado, for Tampa, for Carolina, NOT for Edmonton, for New Jersey, for whomever else considers themselves a contender. I would imagine that the bidding war would be fairly large.


If Hanifin doesn't re-sign by then, then he would be in the same boat with teams adding him onto the roster for below league minimum at the deadline (with the Flames using their second slot on max retention).


Both would probably return a healthy injection of picks and a good prospect.



I am on the fence on whether or not the Flames should re-sign Lindholm. I really am. I have stated many times that I prefer having the Flames enter into a formal rebuild as I don't really see a contender here. However, I also think that simply doing an excellent job through the draft and prioritizing that can lead to building a contender without having to tear it down, and I do feel Calgary is a good enough organization in terms of drafting and development to do that.



At this point, I just want to see what Lindholm would actually return as an asset that brings a cap hit under a league-minimum deal (assuming, once again, that I have my math right). There would be zero playoff-bound teams (and a few that are close hoping to sneak in) that wouldn't call Conroy.

Both Lindholm and Hanifin are going to be heavily pursued assets leading up to or at the deadline, provided they’re healthy. If Tanner Jeanotte got the Predators 5 draft picks, including a first, my goodness, what’s Lindholm going to get? Another comparible trade is the Horvat deal. Many criticized that deal but I think the Canucks knew they likely weren’t going to get a first round pick back higher than what the Islanders had to offer, they did just fine there.

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Both Lindholm and Hanifin are going to be heavily pursued assets leading up to or at the deadline, provided they’re healthy. If Tanner Jeanotte got the Predators 5 draft picks, including a first, my goodness, what’s Lindholm going to get? Another comparible trade is the Horvat deal. Many criticized that deal but I think the Canucks knew they likely weren’t going to get a first round pick back higher than what the Islanders had to offer, they did just fine there.

I could see Carolina going after him hard at the deadline this year. They have the draft capital to make it work as well!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Lindholm's current contract is still a huge bargain today. With 50% retention, name a contending team that wouldn't want to add another #1 centre who is reliable on both sides of the puck?



AFAIK, Lindholm's cap hit at the deadline will be (assuming I have the math right) $1.1 million (before retention). (4.850million)x(42/185). (cap hit)x(42 days left in the season divided by a 185 day season).



Name a contender that can't squeeze 550k at the deadline somehow after the Flames retain. That's a ridiculous add for Colorado, for Tampa, for Carolina, NOT for Edmonton, for New Jersey, for whomever else considers themselves a contender. I would imagine that the bidding war would be fairly large.


If Hanifin doesn't re-sign by then, then he would be in the same boat with teams adding him onto the roster for below league minimum at the deadline (with the Flames using their second slot on max retention).


Both would probably return a healthy injection of picks and a good prospect.



I am on the fence on whether or not the Flames should re-sign Lindholm. I really am. I have stated many times that I prefer having the Flames enter into a formal rebuild as I don't really see a contender here. However, I also think that simply doing an excellent job through the draft and prioritizing that can lead to building a contender without having to tear it down, and I do feel Calgary is a good enough organization in terms of drafting and development to do that.



At this point, I just want to see what Lindholm would actually return as an asset that brings a cap hit under a league-minimum deal (assuming, once again, that I have my math right). There would be zero playoff-bound teams (and a few that are close hoping to sneak in) that wouldn't call Conroy.

Agreed on all counts (and yes, your math is right - or at least close enough).

Trading Lindholm and Hanifin at the deadline would bring a haul, and would really change the complexion of the team, without tearing it down.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Pickle Juice

I could see Carolina going after him hard at the deadline this year. They have the draft capital to make it work as well!

Friedman did say the Canes had asked about Lindholm last year. They missed on both Tkachuk and Meier last year, so the appetite appears to be there.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Agreed on all counts (and yes, your math is right - or at least close enough).

Trading Lindholm and Hanifin at the deadline would bring a haul, and would really change the complexion of the team, without tearing it down.

A lot of people like to think Treliving left an untenable mess behind but I don’t think that’s accurate. Conroy has a lot of options in front of him and a lot he can do with the direction of this team.

[Badgers Nose]

I would never buy a Lindholm or Hanifin jersey.

Calgary4Life’s scenario could land Flames that next exciting player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Both Lindholm and Hanifin are going to be heavily pursued assets leading up to or at the deadline, provided they’re healthy. If Tanner Jeanotte got the Predators 5 draft picks, including a first, my goodness, what’s Lindholm going to get? Another comparible trade is the Horvat deal. Many criticized that deal but I think the Canucks knew they likely weren’t going to get a first round pick back higher than what the Islanders had to offer, they did just fine there.

I think the Horvat comparable is the best one, as he a very good centre in the last year of his contract.

Jeanette is a different type of player with more control.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A lot of people like to think Treliving left an untenable mess behind but I don’t think that’s accurate. Conroy has a lot of options in front of him and a lot he can do with the direction of this team.

He only has options if the owners allow him to have options.

There has been no sign the owners want anything to do with a rebuild.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He only has options if the owners allow him to have options.

There has been no sign the owners want anything to do with a rebuild.

I think Edwards will allow it what he won't want is another Johnny situation being dragged till the last second and losing the player.

He was very pissed. Johnny came back the next day and he told him to get lost lol.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A lot of people like to think Treliving left an untenable mess behind but I don’t think that’s accurate. Conroy has a lot of options in front of him and a lot he can do with the direction of this team.

What are the options you see?

I think if you make a hockey trade you 100% downgrade. No way you get an equal or better player to Lindholm making 5 million. I think trying to go that route would be foolish. They did that with Tkachuk and Toffoli and you downgraded twice. That seems like a treading water strategy.

A futures deal is likely a downgrade as well but at least has more potential for a home run and also gives a longer runway to try and build around those pieces. But if that's your strategy then actually commit to that strategy and go all in on it. Trying to win now and retool is likely counter productive.

Do you see another path Conroy could take?

[dino7c]

Conroy, unlike the fans, needs to give it more than two games

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

He only has options if the owners allow him to have options.

There has been no sign the owners want anything to do with a rebuild.

True, I’ve long shared the view the owners don’t want a rebuild but Conroy stated he won’t let assets leave for nothing, or at least ones of the calibre Lindholm and Hanifin are.

I doubt very much the owners would support a scortched earth rebuild but they might be will invite to do what Nashville and St.Louis have done. Conroy is at the beginning of his term so he may have some leeway to shape things as he’s sees it. Just a guess on my part. Obviously, I think this is all contingent on Lindholm not signing. Resigning lindholm, I think, is the priority.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by TOfan

A lot of people like to think Treliving left an untenable mess behind but I don’t think that’s accurate. Conroy has a lot of options in front of him and a lot he can do with the direction of this team.

I mean, I guess it could be worse. Kind of like he handcuffed our hands together, then our feet together, then stole our life savings and car and drove away. But at least didn't get the chance to also handcuff our hands and feet together behind our backs, and steal the $20 stuffed in our shoe.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Conroy, unlike the fans, needs to give it more than two games

Yeah, I hope some of our fanbase is not as fragile with the other things in their lives.