2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[GioforPM]

Going off Scorpion's list there's a pretty big glut of good but not elite d-men out there. So Brodie's bargaining power isn't huge.


Torey Krug (BOS) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 29 // 61 GP, 9-40-49, 20:29
TJ Brodie (CGY) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 30 // 64 GP, 4-15-19, 20:27
Kevin Shattenkirk (TB) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 31 // 70 GP, 8-26-34, 18:53
Tyson Barrie (TOR) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 28 // 70 GP, 5-34-39, 21:52
Sami Vatanen (NJ/CAR) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 29 // 47 GP, 5-18-23, 21:45
Chris Tanev (VAN) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 30 // 69 GP, 2-18-20, 19:31
Dylan DeMelo (OTT/WPG) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 27 // 59 GP, 0-10-10, 20:08
Justin Schultz (PIT) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 29 // 46 GP, 3-9-12, 19:52
Brenden Dillon (SJ/WSH) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 29 // 69 GP, 1-13-14, 19:27
Justin Braun (PHI) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 33 // 62 GP, 3-16-19, 17:16
Radko Gudas (WSH) // Right-handed defenseman // Age 30 // 63 GP, 2-13-15, 16:43
Erik Gustafsson (CHI/CGY) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 28 // 66 GP, 6-23-29, 20:22
Mark Borowiecki (OTT) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 30 // 53 GP, 7-11-18, 17:56
Dmitry Kulikov (WPG) // Left-handed defenseman // Age 29 // 51 GP, 2-8-10, 20:01

[Monahammer]

If we're resigning Brodie it should be pegged to Hanifin's contract at most. It will be hard to get him for less than that. I personally would not want to sign him at more than 5 per, but I have also been a "ship Brodie out" adherent for like 3 seasons.

[SuperMatt18]

Biggest barrier on a Brodie signing is going to be trade protection.

Flames won't want to give him a NMC so they don't have to protect him in the expansion draft, and he's going to want a NMC or at least a promise that they don't let him get selected by Seattle.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he were to take a 1 year deal this offseason, be a UFA for the expansion draft, and then re-sign next off-season for 3-4 when the expansion draft isn't looming.

[TheScorpion]

I don't think the expansion draft will have much to do with it unless they really want to protect Giordano.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

they have to be equal (proportionally), don't they?

####ed if I know!

If that's the case, just add cash to the deal to compensate for the cash difference. Aquilini's can afford it.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't think the expansion draft will have much to do with it unless they really want to protect Giordano.

Based on how this organization does business, and how much they respect Giordano, I don't personally see a way they leave their captain un-protected in the expansion draft.

They should...but they won't.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

they have to be equal (proportionally), don't they?

I think officially in the back end it's done as a percentage.

So you retain 30% of the cap hit and the remaining actual salary paid.

Edit: yeah that's how it works

What is a retained salary transaction/trade
The percentage retained cannot exceed 50 percent of the player's salary (including all bonuses) and Salary Cap Hit.
The same percentage must be retained for both the player's salary and Salary Cap Hit, and cannot be modified.

Also don't think cash is allowed to be traded as part of NHL trades anymore (to Blaster's other point)

[Teroy]

Some of you have us trading the entire team. Let's get serious. I'd just a soon re-sign Brodie, 4 years @ 5.5. That takes care of that need. Besides, it's time to start using the talent in Stockton. Concentrate on getting another centre. Trade Gaudreau for picks and draft one. Try to sign Hall, Hoffman or Dadonov. Re-sign Talbot and live with the goaltending we have. We need a team that can win, not just a goaltender who can steal games for us. We will not win the cup next year so it's time to consider a reset. I've been waiting for another cup since day one but I'd be just as satisfied if we had a team that was exciting to watch.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also don't think cash is allowed to be traded as part of NHL trades anymore (to Blaster's other point)

You don't make it part of the actual trade!

Either way, I'm content with the deal not happening if it's not exactly to our terms. I doubt Boston would be interested since they are already just walking away from Krug so the Coyotes are boned if they need to move him that badly.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

You don't make it part of the actual trade!

Either way, I'm content with the deal not happening if it's not exactly to our terms. I doubt Boston would be interested since they are already just walking away from Krug so the Coyotes are boned if they need to move him that badly.

So you want the Canucks to lose a 1st round pick as part of the deal too when I report them for cap circumvention?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yall will balk at me but I would 100 percent trade Mangiapane for Korpisalo. In a heartbeat.

It'd be more difficult to convince Columbus that Mangiapane is a top 6 forward

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Biggest barrier on a Brodie signing is going to be trade protection.

Flames won't want to give him a NMC so they don't have to protect him in the expansion draft, and he's going to want a NMC or at least a promise that they don't let him get selected by Seattle.

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he were to take a 1 year deal this offseason, be a UFA for the expansion draft, and then re-sign next off-season for 3-4 when the expansion draft isn't looming.

Exactly why I think there is going to be a bunch of 1 year deals. Teams have 2 major headwinds to navigate:

1) a frozen cap, due to COVID
2) the expansion draft

They just can't throw contracts around like most years. So as a player, you accept a one-year deal so that you are a FA again next summer, when those concerns have (hopefully) cleared up

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

So you want the Canucks to lose a 1st round pick as part of the deal too when I report them for cap circumvention?

No one likes a tattle-tale.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Yall will balk at me but I would 100 percent trade Mangiapane for Korpisalo. In a heartbeat.

Why the love affair with Korpisalo?

Korpisalo had a great playoff but is he really worth an overpayment? Should never fall in love with players, especially goalies, during the small sample size of the playoffs.

Last three seasons at 5v5

Korpisalo

GP: 82
Sv Pct: .914

HDSV: .820
MDSV: .895
LDSV: .974

Rittich

GP: 114
SVPCT: .920

HDSV: .834
MDSV: .918
LDSV: .962

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No one likes a tattle-tale.

You'll be happier if you just come to grips with it. Say it with me...

OEL at $8.25M for 7 years
OEL at $8.25M for 7 years
OEL at $8.25M for 7 years

See, it's not so bad!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They can have one of the Juolevi, Rafferty or Lind; one of Virtanen or Motte; have to take Eriksson; and have to eat the max amount they can of his cap number. No picks.

I am not paying a premium for a player they have to move that has handcuffed their options.

LOL, well how could arizona turn that down, a mediocre prospect, a mediocre nhler and a cap dump and all they have to do is give the canucks a legit NHL top 2 dman at an annual salary of 4.13 million a year for the next 7 years while Arizona also pays 4.12 million for the next 7 years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Based on how this organization does business, and how much they respect Giordano, I don't personally see a way they leave their captain un-protected in the expansion draft.

They should...but they won't.

I'm pretty confident they expose him, and I'm pretty confident Seattle leaves him alone.

ETA: Because even if Lucic waives they have to expose Dube, Mangiapane or Bennett. Seattle takes on of those guys over Gio.

[ComixZone]

Yeah I don’t view Korpisalo as a clear upgrade on Talbot. There’s nothing in the numbers that tell that story, as his underlying numbers almost match up with Talbs perfectly.

No way do I trade Mangiapane for that. Mang is poised for a huge season. I don’t think Mang flirting with 30 goals should surprise anyone next season. The only thing that stopped him from doing that last year was being incorrectly pushed down the lineup by poor coaching decisions (until Frolik was traded), and a horrible 2nd PP up until we shifted Gio to that unit.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

You'll be happier if you just come to grips with it. Say it with me...

OEL at $8.25M for 7 years
OEL at $8.25M for 7 years
OEL at $8.25M for 7 years

See, it's not so bad!

No! I don't like it! Don't make me!

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

LOL, well how could arizona turn that down, a mediocre prospect, a mediocre nhler and a cap dump and all they have to do is give the canucks a legit NHL top 2 dman at an annual salary of 4.13 million a year for the next 7 years while Arizona also pays 4.12 million for the next 7 years.

Pretty easily, which is the point. I don't want OEL. I don't think he's a top two. I didn't think he was a top two when he signed his deal, and I certainly don't think he is now two years after signing and playing not great.

The Coyotes are trying to move Larsson because he's A. Paid a lot and they're broke. and B. Not as good as they thought he would be. Unfortunately for them, their hands are tied by the NTC they gave him. Boston likely isn't that interested, so if they want to move him they really only have the one option. They're going to get an awful deal, just like we did when we had the same thing happen with Kesler and Luongo.

[Enoch Root]

OEL at $8.25M for 7 years