2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

With Taveres off the books leafs would be all in on Mcdavid.

That list with Tavares on it is for the Draisaitl year. When McDavid is up, the Leafs only have Matthews, Kampf, and Rielly under contract.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by butterfly

That list with Tavares on it is for the Draisaitl year. When McDavid is up, the Leafs only have Matthews, Kampf, and Rielly under contract.

Gotcha. Point still stands

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

Leafs could trade Matthew's for a huge return and sign McDavid 🤔

McDavid on the Leafs might actually be more intolerable than McDavid on the Oilers. With the Crossover King at the centre of the universe, alll Canadian sports media would be in a massive Leafs circle jerk. And imagine if the Leafs actually won the Cup with him, there would be no escaping it anywhere in Canada.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

McDavid on the Leafs might actually be more intolerable than McDavid on the Oilers. With the Crossover King at the centre of the universe, alll Canadian sports media would be in a massive Leafs circle jerk. And imagine if the Leafs actually won the Cup with him, there would be no escaping it anywhere in Canada.

Nope. Oilers are the worst.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

McDavid on the Leafs might actually be more intolerable than McDavid on the Oilers. With the Crossover King at the centre of the universe, alll Canadian sports media would be in a massive Leafs circle jerk. And imagine if the Leafs actually won the Cup with him, there would be no escaping it anywhere in Canada.

Sure, but just think of the Edmonton tears.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Macindoc

McDavid on the Leafs might actually be more intolerable than McDavid on the Oilers. With the Crossover King at the centre of the universe, alll Canadian sports media would be in a massive Leafs circle jerk. And imagine if the Leafs actually won the Cup with him, there would be no escaping it anywhere in Canada.

McDavid will still me "look at me" McDavid and won't play a team game. So, Leafs will not win the Cup with him.

[Nelson]

Lebrun: “The positive is that the dialogue continues, and I don’t sense any lines being drawn in the sand. But the negative obviously is that going back to the Flames’ contract offer being made a week after the June draft and the Lindholm camp sharing its counter position, there really hasn’t been much movement as far as I can tell.”

From https://flamesnation.ca/news/betway-...nhl-october-13. Thanks Ryan Pike.

I share this because Lebrun consistently seems very well informed about the Flames.

[Nelson]

So, I believe Steinberg has said the Flames made an offer between 8.5-9 per year. I’ve also seen one of our three “local” insiders say the first offer was 8.2 per year. Have Friedman, Seravalli or Lebrun ever put out a specific number? My understanding is that we don’t know exactly what the Flames’ offer was, but I’ve never seen any rumours of anything less than 8.2. Is that fair?

Edit: apparently, Lebrun also said this on Insider Trading: “The reality is, from what we understand they’re still just not close yet on a number… I think the Flames look at the recent extension signed by Scheifele as perhaps something that could be looked at in the talks here with (Elias) Lindholm”

Edit edit: Friedman said this on 32 thoughts on Oct 4: But I don’t get the sense anything is close, yet. And it’s possible Elias Lindholm’s number is going to be higher than I initially thought — in the $9-million range.

It seems likely that the Flames are in the low to mid 8s, and Lindholm is at 9+.

I also remember seeing rumours that clauses, how much if the salary is paid via bonuses were issues.

[442scotty]

I think this road trip will go a long ways to deciding what Lindholm is worth

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

I think this road trip will go a long ways to deciding what Lindholm is worth

I don't think any road trip is going to show his worth. Unless he truly puts up an exceptional season of 100+ points, his worth as a 28 year old two-way player has been determined. Realistically nobody can expect him to be the next Bergeron. The jury is out but it's likely he's peaked. Him expecting top dollar and top term is ridiculous. Give him 4 years at $9.5 and be done with it or deal him. It's pretty simple at this point.

[Strange Brew]

744 career NHL games, over half with Calgary. How he plays the next 10 games should have very little bearing on his future salary. I really hope the Flames remain from in these negotiations.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't think any road trip is going to show his worth. Unless he truly puts up an exceptional season of 100+ points, his worth as a 28 year old two-way player has been determined. Realistically nobody can expect him to be the next Bergeron. The jury is out but it's likely he's peaked. Him expecting top dollar and top term is ridiculous. Give him 4 years at $9.5 and be done with it or deal him. It's pretty simple at this point.

Not that simple.

Zero chance he accepts 4 years when his next contract at that age would take a nose dive.

Plus “ dealing him now” when few teams with any interest in him would not have the available cap space would simply result in a terrible deal for the Flames. The chouces now are to sign him or wait until the trade deadline when possibilities should open up.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Give him 4 years at $9.5 and be done with it or deal him. It's pretty simple at this point.

That's not a serious offer.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I don't think any road trip is going to show his worth. Unless he truly puts up an exceptional season of 100+ points, his worth as a 28 year old two-way player has been determined. Realistically nobody can expect him to be the next Bergeron. The jury is out but it's likely he's peaked. Him expecting top dollar and top term is ridiculous. Give him 4 years at $9.5 and be done with it or deal him. It's pretty simple at this point.

The team knows what it has in Lindholm. That said, it is another data point. A valuable one. The team doesn't know if Huberdeau and Lindholm can be a duo 5 on 5. We don't know how much of an outlier last year was. A miserable team + a different role on the PP + first kid. We don't know if Lindholm made Toffoli have a career year, or if it was all Toffoli.

Lindholm himself said that he thinks he can be a lot better. The 1st game of the year showed me a level of compete I haven't seen from Lindholm in a while. He was definitely a top player that game, and he stood out like a top player.

Finally, if you think the team has all the data already, and they have a lot more data than we do, then their assessment of Lindholm's value is much better than ours.

[Enoch Root]

5 X $9.5
6 X $9
7 X $8.5
8 X $8

You choose, Elias

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by iggyloob12

That's not a serious offer.

Probably not, but the Flames should definitely have a steep salary dropoff beyond year 5 or 6.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

5 X $9.5
6 X $9
7 X $8.5
8 X $8

You choose, Elias

Why would he choose 5x9.5 if he can get 8x8. Makes no sense.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Why would he choose 5x9.5 if he can get 8x8. Makes no sense.

If he doesn't think that he can get a 3 year deal, in the $5.5M range, in 5 years, then he has no case to justify anything higher than an $8 X 8

(when negotiating, you want to walk the other side to where you want them)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Saqe

Why would he choose 5x9.5 if he can get 8x8. Makes no sense.

Depends on how he sees his value in 5.95 years I guess.

If you do a NPV at 6.5% on a 5 year 9.5M contract it's worth $39.5M.
If you do a NPV at 6.5% on a 8 year 8.0M contract it's worth $48.7M.

If he thinks he can play those additional three years he needs a 3 year $4.8M contract at that point in a big cap world to break the whole thing even in today's dollars.

If he thinks he'll only play two years he needs a 2 year $6.95M contract.

All depends on where he sees himself in 5.95 years. If he's still decently productive and good in his own end he might be smart to take the almost $60M in the first 5 years.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he doesn't think that he can get a 3 year deal, in the $5.5M range, in 5 years, then he has no case to justify anything higher than an $8 X 8

(when negotiating, you want to walk the other side to where you want them)

Logically yes but it's not how things work in reality. Players get eight year deals that almost always are bad at the end, especially if you sign them at 30. Plus there is always risk, quite a lot actually if you are betting on being healthy at 35 and getting another three year deal. There is no "justifying" of the latter part of the deal being bad.