2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Last year thats a shot on net and frozen puck.

Like I said in the other thread that goal was like the plays the old top line used to make great work by all 3.

Huberdeau with a smart bank off the boards and a great read by Lindholm and Mangiapane.

Its really what we needed more motion in the offensive zone more passing and less just shoot from wherever.

Not sure I've seen Elias smile like that since that line.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Like any high skilled top talent he made some risky passes that didn't work, but he also made the plays when it mattered most.

Also could have had 3 assists if Coronato finishes.

He was battling along the walls and working hard.

Not sure what the issue is, just because hes not Tkachuk people hate him for no reason.

Yeah, I especially like the empty net goal in which he out skated the defender a good meter or may meter and a half to the puck. It looks like he is hustling hard and the defender was just floating.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Could have had zero assists if Mangiapane doesn't make an incredible play on the winning goal and if he doesn't get a fortunate bounce off the post (after missing a wide open net).

All that said, it's good for him to get some production early in the season. Might help ease the pressure on him and quiet the doubts from last year.

I always despise this method of "speaking away" goals and points when you don't like a player. You could do the same for any player in the league and speak away half their years totals.

Lemme go the other way then. If huberdeau doesn't contribute earlier in that play then it never gets to mangiapane to make the play and if huberdeau doesn't put on afterburners on the empty net play to beat the Canucks defenseman down the ice then there's no rebound off the post for mangianpane to tap in.

Not to mention the reason huberdeau missed that shot is because he was hooked from behind which by league rules is an automatic goal.

Cmon, I accept that many fans will be unnecessarily harsh on him this season, but at least be somewhat fair, and speaking away points is a ridiculous endeavor unless you plan to do it for the whole league.

[Enoch Root]

'fortunate bounce off the post'... no, I think a fortunate bounce would have gone in the net. What the play DID have, was some really good hustle to win the race to the pack.

And the pass to Mangiapane on the 4th goal was brilliant - I just re-watched it and you could see Huberdeau look around and see the open ice so he led Mangiapane with the pass and that broke down the Jets' D, allowing Lindholm to walk all alone to the front of the net.

Beyond that, his pass to Coronato was even better, and should have also resulted in an assist.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't think Huberdeau is a guy that dominates an entire game. He is a guy that can be quiet for stretches but you look up at the end and he's got 3 points.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't think Huberdeau is a guy that dominates an entire game. He is a guy that can be quiet for stretches but you look up at the end and he's got 3 points.

not at all unlike Gaudreau (and many offensive players)

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think it was the 55 points and $10.5M cap hit for 8 years that irritated people, not lacking effort.

Well he was still earning 5.9M when he put up 55, if that lessens the outrage any =)

[dino7c]

The fact they actually put the top players out after the other teams 4th line iced the puck instead of throwing Lucic out there was a major factor

like seriously he could play exactly the same and put up 80 points with proper ice time

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I always despise this method of "speaking away" goals and points when you don't like a player. You could do the same for any player in the league and speak away half their years totals.

Lemme go the other way then. If huberdeau doesn't contribute earlier in that play then it never gets to mangiapane to make the play and if huberdeau doesn't put on afterburners on the empty net play to beat the Canucks defenseman down the ice then there's no rebound off the post for mangianpane to tap in.

Not to mention the reason huberdeau missed that shot is because he was hooked from behind which by league rules is an automatic goal.

Cmon, I accept that many fans will be unnecessarily harsh on him this season, but at least be somewhat fair, and speaking away points is a ridiculous endeavor unless you plan to do it for the whole league.

You should go back to the post I quoted if it bothers you that much. The argument was he really had three points because Coronato couldn’t finish a nice pass and I pointed out that logic cuts both ways.

I personally don’t think he played that great and I definitely don’t believe he should have been awarded a goal on the play you mention.

But you can’t take away his 2 points. That was my point and as I said, that should help him going forward.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The fact they actually put the top players out after the other teams 4th line iced the puck instead of throwing Lucic out there was a major factor

like seriously he could play exactly the same and put up 80 points with proper ice time

They also went with Lindholm Kadri and Huberdeau after a PK.

A bit of the Peters influence. Load up the top line yes I know Neal sucked but that was the idea behind it at the time.

Coaching staff showing they will try to be creative and get the top players going and not the Lucics of the team.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

'fortunate bounce off the post'... no, I think a fortunate bounce would have gone in the net. What the play DID have, was some really good hustle to win the race to the pack.

And the pass to Mangiapane on the 4th goal was brilliant - I just re-watched it and you could see Huberdeau look around and see the open ice so he led Mangiapane with the pass and that broke down the Jets' D, allowing Lindholm to walk all alone to the front of the net.

Beyond that, his pass to Coronato was even better, and should have also resulted in an assist.

Yeah this kind of illustrates my point. Only want to make note of the points he could have had, not those he might not have had.

The play to Mangiapane was a smart play and that’s a good secondary assist. But Mangiapane made a brilliant play there IMO.

Of course the bounce off the post was fortunate. Doesn’t change that he hustled on the play, who said he didn’t?

I guess I don’t get the defensiveness around Huberdeau. He got 2 points and the team won, pretty nice result. Did he play well enough for that result to be sustainable? Kind of tough to say after one game although I think he and the Flames will need more a lot more offensive zone time to regularly expect that kind of offensive output.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I didn't rewatch the GWG from last night until now. Huberdeau's instinct on that play was next level. He knew exactly where to throw the puck, and the execution by the other two guys was flawless. Those three really clicked in that moment.

Exactly the kind of chemistry we need between top players.

[kyuss275]

What thread is this?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What thread is this?

Rumor has it the Flames won last night

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What thread is this?

We traded last year Huberdeau for this year Huberdeau.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I personally don’t think he played that great and I definitely don’t believe he should have been awarded a goal on the play you mention.

How so? That's literally the rule - The player hooked him while he was in the act of shooting into an empty net. That's a goal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jayswin

How so? That's literally the rule - The player hooked him while he was in the act of shooting into an empty net. That's a goal.

Yep, and it's not like it was a light hook either...refs put away their Jets whistles after the Flames went up 3-2

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

What thread is this?

[Sec214]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Rumor has it the Flames won last night

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by jayswin

How so? That's literally the rule - The player hooked him while he was in the act of shooting into an empty net. That's a goal.

Sorry I didn’t think it was an egregious hook when watching it live. Can’t say I’ve watched a replay so I could well be wrong but it wasn’t called a goal. Add it to his ‘should have been a goal’ tally I guess.