2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

I really don't like the talk of trading Andersson. He's a great player whom we drafted, and can possibly anchor the defence for the next ~7 years. Sure, he makes us better which is not what we need right now, but if we strike lucky and manage to turn this around in 2 years, then he's ripe for re-signing and it'd be better to have him than not.

With Weegar signed for 7 years and Parekh and Brzustewicz in the pipeline it would be nuts to pay Andersson what it will take for the bulk of his 30’s in my opinion and should be traded off within the next year

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With Weegar signed for 7 years and Parekh and Brzustewicz in the pipeline it would be nuts to pay Andersson what it will take for the bulk of his 30’s in my opinion and should be traded off within the next year

I would agree with this. Andersson could fetch another 1st or an A prospect which we need to replenish the forward group.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I disagree, term is not nearly as concerning as whether you think they will be able to maintain a certain level of play.

Weegar is currently tied for 43rd highest paid dman in the league. That number will continue to drop throughout the remainder of his contract. If you think he will play at a 2/3 level for the rest of his contract he is not a risk on the term.

Kadri is tied for 39th highest paid center and dropping. If you think he will remain a number 2 center for the next 4 years and a third line center for his last year he is worth the contract value.

Coleman is tied for 68th highest paid LW. If you expect him to be a solid 3rd liner with occasional 2nd liner upside he is worth his contract.

In a cap world where every player’s value is relative to the other players in the league the expected value of the cap allocated to them drops year over year, especially in an inflationary cap world. Koenecy just got 8.75 million a year, over the past 3 years he has produced at a lower PPG pace than Kadri. It is reasonable to expect that Kadri on a per dollar basis will outperform him over the next 5 years. The Flyers have him that contract expecting value on the backend because of a rising cap.

If Weegar had 3 or 4 years left on his deal at his age you don't think teams would be more interested in him? If Kadri had 3 years left, or Coleman was in his final year?

You made your own point. If these guys had less term, teams would be more confident that they'd keep up higher levels of play to the end of the contract and not be deducting as much for future risk.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Samuelsson

I really don't like the talk of trading Andersson. He's a great player whom we drafted, and can possibly anchor the defence for the next ~7 years. Sure, he makes us better which is not what we need right now, but if we strike lucky and manage to turn this around in 2 years, then he's ripe for re-signing and it'd be better to have him than not.

The Flames defence composed of 2 vets and a combo of journeymen/rookies playing in front of a rookie goalie. I highly doubt Andersson is going to make the Flames so good that it negatively impacts their tank.

Defence is 100% a position where players need to be mentored. Andersson looks like a solid choice for that role. Don't trade him unless it's an offer you can't refuse.

[Number 39]

All depends on if he wants to stay and the term he will demand. I wouldn’t be offering a max term contract but I’m sure that’s what he would be asking for.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If Weegar had 3 or 4 years left on his deal at his age you don't think teams would be more interested in him? If Kadri had 3 years left, or Coleman was in his final year?

You made your own point. If these guys had less term, teams would be more confident that they'd keep up higher levels of play to the end of the contract and not be deducting as much for future risk.

Kadri and Weegar would both get their current contracts or better if they were UFA a month ago.

Kadri in particular only has five years left, and I would guess he’s no worse than a 3rd line C for at least next four year. They can trade him when they get the right offer. For at least another year or two, they need him.

Weegar would get a raise off his $6.25M. He’s getting Montour’s 7x7 at minimum.

If they asked out, you could move them by training camp.

If they haven’t, there’s no urgency.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Kadri and Weegar would both get their current contracts or better if they were UFA a month ago.

Kadri in particular only has five years left, and I would guess he’s no worse than a 3rd line C for at least next four year. They can trade him when they get the right offer. For at least another year or two, they need him.

Weegar would get a raise off his $6.25M. He’s getting Montour’s 7x7 at minimum.

If they asked out, you could move them by training camp.

If they haven’t, there’s no urgency.

Exactly. Do the Oilers trade for Ekholm if he was a UFA following the trade deadline last year. Maybe but they give up less for him. He was attractive because he had term.

Same reason why Ryan O’Reilly with term was worth Tage Thompson, Patrik berglund, Sobotka, a 1st and a 2nd. He was coming off a 61 point year.

When he was a UFA on the same contract he was traded with another valuable piece for a lesser package. It was the term that made him attractive. You have a good player on a good contract with term you will get more.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ekholm managed to be traded and he had many years left.

Show me where I said players with term can't be traded, and I'll admit this is relevant.

Guys with term don’t get traded because they are usually considered a core part of the team, not because contracts become more attractive to be traded for with no term left.

I wish I had a dollar for every news story about a trade where it was specifically reported that a player was attractive because he was on an expiring contract.

Contracts do, in fact, become easier to trade as there is less time remaining. The easiest contracts to trade are those with a year or less to go, as the acquiring GM does not have to worry about tagging cap space in subsequent years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

That should be easy enough. Teams are always looking to dump some contracts.

This is the first year in a long time where that doesn't appear to be the case. Years of a flat cap prevented GMs from painting themselves into a corner – not because they were smart, they just ran out of paint. The cap is going up at just the moment when some of the most painful pre-Covid contracts are expiring, and as a result, cap space is more plentiful than it has been in ages.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ekholm managed to be traded and he had many years left. Guys with term don’t get traded because they are usually considered a core part of the team, not because contracts become more attractive to be traded for with no term left.

This is so funny. Of course players are more valuable with 1 year left. That's why they generally aren't interested in signing 1-year contracts if they have any leverage.

[Ped]

I really don't see Columbus giving up anything to trade Laine. Yes, his last year was a mess with whatever issues he has, and yes he was struggling - but he was also playing center as the BJs thought for whatever reason, he could do it.


He had 108 points in 111 games the previous 2 seasons. He's overpaid, but he's not useless.

[sureLoss]

Portzline wrote that if he had to pick 2 destinations for Laine it would be Anaheim and Carolina with Montreal having an outside shot

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Portzline wrote that if he had to pick 2 destinations for Laine it would be Anaheim and Carolina with Montreal having an outside shot

No surprise really. Anaheim and Montreal for the cities and their livability. Carolina because they are consistently top 10 in the league, so a good chance to win it all. Though I don't care for the Flames to get Laine, this is another reminder that when given the option, players will not choose Calgary (few exceptions, but rare), but they could change things and be like Carolina if they can consistently win.

[Monahammer]

Carolina makes a lot of sense. Laine wouldn't have to be the one in the spotlight, has players he has had great success with, and they could really ball out with Laine beside Aho on one line and Svech/Necas driving the other.

What would they give up though? Maybe that Russian defenseman everyone is horny over?

[activeStick]

If the rumours are true, it sounds like it won't take much at all to acquire Laine. "B" prospect plus a 2nd round pick or lower, even.

[dustygoon]

Wouldn't it be Necas going the other way?

IRCC, Laine and Aho played on a line together on world juniors team

[flambers]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Wouldn't it be Necas going the other way?

IRCC, Laine and Aho played on a line together on world juniors team

I doubt it, Necas in my view is worth way more than Laine.

Laine would take a mid tier draft pick would be my guess.

Key is would Hurricanes take the salary, not sure

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by activeStick

No surprise really. Anaheim and Montreal for the cities and their livability. Carolina because they are consistently top 10 in the league, so a good chance to win it all. Though I don't care for the Flames to get Laine, this is another reminder that when given the option, players will not choose Calgary (few exceptions, but rare), but they could change things and be like Carolina if they can consistently win.

Laine only has limited control on his destination, a 10 team no trade list.

[Monahammer]

Well, this could make the Hurricanes desperate to unload the Kotka money somewhere though. Maybe that's something we could assist with.

[GioforPM]

The Flames may end up trading most of the moveable contracts. But there's no reason to do it all at once. The Hawks only really traded Debrincat because Ottawa overpaid for a pending RFA and there was a chance to get Bedard if they were crappy enough. It was essentially Debrincat for Korchinski plus a better shot at Bedard.