2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Yeah_Baby]

I'm going to stop thinking about the Lindholm thing until Christmas now. We'll see where he's at, the team is at, etc etc and then I'll have a strong feeling one way or an other. Maybe.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Maybe an Ottawa/Columbus/Calgary deal:

To CGY: Peeke (3 x 2.75m) + Pinto (signed to 2 x 2.5m) + Cuelemans (RD prospect)

To CBJ: Lindholm (1 x 4.85m) + Joseph (3 x 2.975m)

To OTT: Texier (1 x 1.525m) + 2024 3rd (CGY) + Blankenburg (1 x 825k)

Utilize Mangiapane++ for a top end center later on, IF available. There just aren’t any af our disposal right now. Hopefully Pinto or Zary could force Backlund and/or Kadri down a line.

Doubt Columbus trades Marchenko imo. I’d settle for Peeke (solid middle pairing D on a sweetheart deal) and Cuelemans, a D prospect that could knock on the door as soon as next season, aligning the likely departure of Tanev. And Columbus has too many RD as is, so they’d rather upgrade the center position.

Ottawa is happy to rid Joseph’s cap hit, yes, at the expense of Pinto, but they get Texier and Blankenburg that should help with some needed depth.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

While I agree with the gist of your argument, one team that’s in win now mode that could afford Lindholm is the Hurricanes. They’re getting frustrated with not much to show for being a top team for several years now, and they’ll have the cap space next season. They also reportedly made a pitch for Lindholm last season at the deadline. So we know they like him.

If Lindholm doesn’t re-sign here, it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up in Carolina.

I think Boston is a legitimate home for him and would pay the contract he wants. They aren't into rebuilding and desperately need C.

Friedman said as much on last 32 pod. Boston is likely circling either Lindholm or Scheifele. And now they are down to one.

I think it's worth imaging what the return is at this point because there is a reasonable chance this happens. And looking at the prospects and picks available from Boston, it's not really exciting.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe an Ottawa/Columbus/Calgary deal:

To CGY: Peeke (3 x 2.75m) + Pinto (signed to 2 x 2.5m) + Cuelemans (RD prospect)

To CBJ: Lindholm (1 x 4.85m) + Joseph (3 x 2.975m)

To OTT: Texier (1 x 1.525m) + 2024 3rd (CGY) + Blankenburg (1 x 825k)

Utilize Mangiapane++ for a top end center later on, IF available. There just aren’t any af our disposal right now. Hopefully Pinto or Zary could force Backlund and/or Kadri down a line.

Doubt Columbus trades Marchenko imo. I’d settle for Peeke (solid middle pairing D on a sweetheart deal) and Cuelemans, a D prospect that could knock on the door as soon as next season, aligning the likely departure of Tanev. And Columbus has too many RD as is, so they’d rather upgrade the center position.

Ottawa is happy to rid Joseph’s cap hit, yes, at the expense of Pinto, but they get Texier and Blankenburg that should help with some needed depth.

Holy lord it's awful!!

If we trade Lindholm to clb and don't at least get Sillinger, a 1st, or Marchenko then it's a complete failure.

Seriously. The pieces you've mentioned aren't even worth trading lindy at the deadline. Rather just keep him and see him walk.

[Ozy_Flame]

I mean, you're not trading Lindholm to a team like Boston (re-signed or trade dependent on being resigned) and not coming back with a player like Zacha or Frederic as part of the mix. You could probably even snag a younger forward with that.

I wouldn't write off Boston as a team with nothing to offer, unless you're thinking of extremely highly-drafted baby-face kids tearing up their junior league and nothing else.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy lord it's awful!!

If we trade Lindholm to clb and don't at least get Sillinger, a 1st, or Marchenko then it's a complete failure.

Seriously. The pieces you've mentioned aren't even worth trading lindy at the deadline. Rather just keep him and see him walk.

Yeah. Also no way Columbus trades Texier and Pinto would have to come in another transaction. Not sure they’d let go Marchenko though.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Holy lord it's awful!!

If we trade Lindholm to clb and don't at least get Sillinger, a 1st, or Marchenko then it's a complete failure.

Seriously. The pieces you've mentioned aren't even worth trading lindy at the deadline. Rather just keep him and see him walk.

Re: CBJ
- How is Sillinger's value this high? He has yet to prove to be of any worth.
- They won't move their first for a pending UFA (we're already seeing how indecisive he is).
- You guys keep beating the Marchenko drum, but put yourself in Columbus's shoes: why would they trade a raw goal scoring winger? I think they'd trade Laine before trading Marchenko. More cap flexibility.

Peeke at 2.75m is a steal, it allows us to get a great return on Hanifin. Pinto could fit right in the middle 6 and could even be 2C right away. And you're downplaying Cuelemans, who in my opinion has the same if not more value than Sillinger. Columbus would rather move a RD prospect over a C who has not produced since his rookie year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I mean, you're not trading Lindholm to a team like Boston (re-signed or trade dependent on being resigned) and not coming back with a player like Zacha or Frederic as part of the mix. You could probably even snag a younger forward with that.

I wouldn't write off Boston as a team with nothing to offer, unless you're thinking of extremely highly-drafted baby-face kids tearing up their junior league and nothing else.

Zacha or Frederic back as the center piece for Lindholm is gross. Pushes the Flames further into the mushy middle. Also doubt Boston wants to part with Zacha. They need to add centres

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Re: CBJ
- How is Sillinger's value this high? He has yet to prove to be of any worth.
- They won't move their first for a pending UFA (we're already seeing how indecisive he is).
- You guys keep beating the Marchenko drum, but put yourself in Columbus's shoes: why would they trade a raw goal scoring winger? I think they'd trade Laine before trading Marchenko. More cap flexibility.

Peeke at 2.75m is a steal, it allows us to get a great return on Hanifin. Pinto could fit right in the middle 6 and could even be 2C right away. And you're downplaying Cuelemans, who in my opinion has the same if not more value than Sillinger. Columbus would rather move a RD prospect over a C who has not produced since his rookie year.

Flames need to get a shot at top six centres if they trade Lindholm. I don’t think that Columbus is scared to trade a 1st. They have been aggressive before. Trade Lindholm get Sillinger and a Dman and then get Pinto with return from a Flames dman trade if they can.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe an Ottawa/Columbus/Calgary deal:

To CGY: Peeke (3 x 2.75m) + Pinto (signed to 2 x 2.5m) + Cuelemans (RD prospect)

To CBJ: Lindholm (1 x 4.85m) + Joseph (3 x 2.975m)

To OTT: Texier (1 x 1.525m) + 2024 3rd (CGY) + Blankenburg (1 x 825k)

Utilize Mangiapane++ for a top end center later on, IF available. There just aren’t any af our disposal right now. Hopefully Pinto or Zary could force Backlund and/or Kadri down a line.

Doubt Columbus trades Marchenko imo. I’d settle for Peeke (solid middle pairing D on a sweetheart deal) and Cuelemans, a D prospect that could knock on the door as soon as next season, aligning the likely departure of Tanev. And Columbus has too many RD as is, so they’d rather upgrade the center position.

Ottawa is happy to rid Joseph’s cap hit, yes, at the expense of Pinto, but they get Texier and Blankenburg that should help with some needed depth.

We get a bottom pairing Dman, a 3rd line C and so so prospect and we throw in a 3rd?

Am I missing something?

[Toonage]

Feels like the cap doesn't work either?

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I mean, you're not trading Lindholm to a team like Boston (re-signed or trade dependent on being resigned) and not coming back with a player like Zacha or Frederic as part of the mix. You could probably even snag a younger forward with that.

I wouldn't write off Boston as a team with nothing to offer, unless you're thinking of extremely highly-drafted baby-face kids tearing up their junior league and nothing else.

Zacha....NTC clause could be problem and tough to see them doing this trade only to end up with Lindholm and Coyle down the middle.

Frederic....we don't need another left shot winger. Same with Debrusk although i could see either coming back.

Include Vladar and get Swayman?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

orange you glad I didn't make you bet real money on this?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

orange you glad I didn't make you bet real money on this?

Take it to private messages lol

[CliffFletcher]

There are very few destinations Lindholm could be moved to at this point in the season that wouldn’t require salary coming back. So hopes for prospects + picks being the return aren’t realistic.

If he’s dealt before the deadline, it will be a hockey trade (which would also fit with the teams posture of not rebuilding). Which are tough to pull off these days with the salary considerations and high proportion of veteran players who have NMCs.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There are very few destinations Lindholm could be moved to at this point in the season that wouldn’t require salary coming back. So hopes for prospects + picks being the return aren’t realistic.

If he’s dealt before the deadline, it will be a hockey trade. Which are tough to pull off these days with the salary considerations and high proportion of veteran players who have NMCs.

Doesn’t have to be a hockey trade. Flames can take cap equal to Lindholm’s back and still have the main return be younger players with upside

[genetic_phreek]

I wonder if Chicago could be good trade partners for either Lindholm or Hanifin. Lot's of cap space there, they are still young and they have a ton of draft picks available.

In an ideal scenario I would prefer Lindholm traded to CBJ just because the value gets super inflated with past history of chemistry between him and Gaudreau.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

I wonder if Chicago could be good trade partners for either Lindholm or Hanifin. Lot's of cap space there, they are still young and they have a ton of draft picks available.

In an ideal scenario I would prefer Lindholm traded to CBJ just because the value gets super inflated with past history of chemistry between him and Gaudreau.

I wonder if there’s a three way trade out there to be had where the Flames retain half, then another , Chicago for example, retains half.

Lindholm at $1.02M has to be seen as incredible value even for teams right at the cap. I think there is a market for Lindholm and/or Hanifin. Lindholm also has no restrictions on where he is dealt.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I think Boston is a legitimate home for him and would pay the contract he wants. They aren't into rebuilding and desperately need C.

Friedman said as much on last 32 pod. Boston is likely circling either Lindholm or Scheifele. And now they are down to one.

I think it's worth imaging what the return is at this point because there is a reasonable chance this happens. And looking at the prospects and picks available from Boston, it's not really exciting.

Yeah, the Bruins are a legit destination too. But they’re capped. So any deal is going to have to be dollar-in-dollar-out, or involve a third team eating cap.

Two of the Bruins players the Flames might target (Zacha and Carlo) have NTCs, and there’s a good chance the Flames are on their lists.

So how else do we get a deal with $4.8 mil coming back? Frederick is 2.3. Good young player with size on a reasonable contract. Then you’re looking at… Grzelcyk at 3.6? That would make the cap work for the Bruins, and they would be happy to move on from him. Not great from the Flames POV, though. It would also push the Flames over the cap.

When you dig into capfriendly and start looking at the cap impacts and NTCs, you see why hockey trades are so hard to make in today’s NHL. Especially at this time of year. It’s why trades almost never happen outside the draft/UFA period or the trade deadline anymore.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

I guess Conroy isn’t the caricature softie many people made him out to be.