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The Cobra · 02-05-2019, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

If someone wants to offer sheet him some stupid money I will take the four first round picks.

That's no going to help much with the current contention window.

Fighting Banana Slug · 02-05-2019, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

Honestly we should be more worried about losing a Rittichih or Bennett to an offer sheet than Tkachuk. Tkachuk is one of our franchise players and the Flames simply won’t lose him and likely match anything.

A team could look at Bennett and see a potential first line player in a new situation and offer him $5M per which would be tough for the Flames to match. The same with Rittich maybe he gets 6x6 similar to Hellybuxk and that would put the Flames in a tougher spot to match.

I don’t see a team offering Tkachuk more than $11M per and it thick the Flames match anything less than the 4 1sts.

The same with other teams with multiple high end RFA’s. The Jets should be more worried about Connor or Trouba than Laine.

Out of curiosity, what would the compensation be on a $5mil offer?

The Cobra · 02-05-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Not saying I agree completely with Scorpion, but to compare an U.F.A. and a R.F.A. is being unrealistic.

Matthew can be firm and stand his ground.

He can also be forced to sit out as long as Nylander did in the process.

It's all about leverage, Tkachuk doesn't have any.

It's wrong to say he doesn't have any leverage.

They said Nylander didn't have any, and he got $41.77 over about 5.67 years, and average of close to $7.4M per season, and Nylander isn't as good as Tkachuk.

That's not zero leverage.

transplant99 · 02-05-2019, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Out of curiosity, what would the compensation be on a $5mil offer?

Offer Sheet (AAV) Compensation
$1,339,575 or below None
Over $1,339,575 to $2,029,59 3rd
Over $2,029,59 to $4,059,322 2nd
Over $4,059,322 to $6,088,980 1st, 3rd
Over $6,088,980 to $8,118,641 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $8,118,641 to $10,148,302 (2) 1st, 2nd, 3rd
Over $10,148,302 (4) 1st

The Cobra · 02-05-2019, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Out of curiosity, what would the compensation be on a $5mil offer?

last year, a 1st and 3rd round pick.

Fighting Banana Slug · 02-05-2019, 10:18 AM

1st and a third would be fine, but with those numbers from T99, even 3.5-4 this year would be problematic. Too much money IMO, but only a second back.

Edit: Depends on the term, I suppose.

CalgaryFan1988 · 02-05-2019, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

It's wrong to say he doesn't have any leverage.

They said Nylander didn't have any, and he got $41.77 over about 5.67 years, and average of close to $7.4M per season, and Nylander isn't as good as Tkachuk.

That's not zero leverage.

I thought it was pretty self explanatory, but apparently not.

He doesn't have much leverage, when compared to an unrestricted free agent.

Better?

kukkudo · 02-05-2019, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Split98

And if none of those 4 are lottery... you never replace Tkachuk

You would pay Tkachuk over 10.1M?

VladtheImpaler · 02-05-2019, 10:28 AM

Isn't the fact that Tkachuk might get OS'ed or hold out until December all the more reason to "go for it" this year?

DiracSpike · 02-05-2019, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Isn't the fact that Tkachuk might get OS'ed or hold out until December all the more reason to "go for it" this year?

I had never thought about it but it's a good point. This is going to be a tough negotiation, there's a pretty solid trend of sons of former players driving tougher bargains than others. Tkachuk family already has money so the allure of instant generational wealth that drives other players to sign quickly doesn't apply. Might get pretty ugly because unlike Dubas BT won't cave.

Vinny01 · 02-05-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Seriously?

He hasnt even played a full season in the NHL.

No GM is going to tie their wagon to him for 6 years at big money.

Its not a worry whatsoever.

And if someone wants to give Bennett 5 million....see ya later Sam.

You say that now but what if Bennett and Rittich have massive playoffs. If the Rittich keeps this up for another 25 starts and he will have played north of 50 games with solid starter stats. If we go deep in the playoffs and he is a big reason I could easily see another team taking a long look.

Thank you to posting the compensation. Makes it even easier to come up with a scenario that would have the Flames backs against the wall. With the cap going up we can assume a slight change in the compensation $ as well.

For instance both Bennett and Rittich could sign short or long term deals that pay roughly $4.5M on the cap and the Flames get a 2nd in return. Bennett at $4.2-4.5 with some brutal bonus structure etc might not be a guarantee the Flames match.

Otto-matic · 02-05-2019, 10:36 AM

TBH I think Chucky isn't the type of player to hold out. He'll get a fair deal from BT and not screw our cap with it.

GranteedEV · 02-05-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto-matic

TBH I think Chucky isn't the type of player to hold out.

He's only the son of one of the most infamous holdouts in history...

Split98 · 02-05-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kukkudo

You would pay Tkachuk over 10.1M?

Over losing Tkachuk? Absolutely.

What we lose having to fit that in is where it hurts the most, but if that contract has term it likely looks like a decent deal in a few years. An offer sheet like that would hamper the Flames significantly, but the loss of Tkachuk would alter the outlook of this team significantly.

They were talking about offer sheets on Hockey Central a few mins ago where they pointed out that it takes both sides to make an offer sheet happen ('they don't just show up in your inbox' they said). I know Keith was a hard negotiator, but I think things have to be going pretty poorly with Tre for Matthew to add an offer sheet to negotiations. Seems like too much of a team-guy to play that game

Red · 02-05-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Vinny01

You say that now but what if Bennett and Rittich have massive playoffs. If the Rittich keeps this up for another 25 starts and he will have played north of 50 games with solid starter stats. If we go deep in the playoffs and he is a big reason I could easily see another team taking a long look.

Thank you to posting the compensation. Makes it even easier to come up with a scenario that would have the Flames backs against the wall. With the cap going up we can assume a slight change in the compensation $ as well.

For instance both Bennett and Rittich could sign short or long term deals that pay roughly $4.5M on the cap and the Flames get a 2nd in return. Bennett at $4.2-4.5 with some brutal bonus structure etc might not be a guarantee the Flames match.

Bennett is a checker that can't score. How is he getting 4.5?
In a league where you have to overpay your top, guys, see Matthews etc, you have to have cheap fillers and Sam is a filler.

LWcrowfoot · 02-05-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

He's only the son of one of the most infamous holdouts in history...

Came to post something similar. Matthew is Keith Tkachuk's son. My first hand knowledge doesn't go this far back but reading up on him Keith held out on the Jets, signed an offer sheet with the Blackhawks which caused them to strip his captain C.

Treliving is a tough negotiator and Matthew Tkachuk is a professional, on the ice and off. He isn't going to be a pie in the sky kid dealing with this contract. Prepare your butts.

transplant99 · 02-05-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto-matic

TBH I think Chucky isn't the type of player to hold out. He'll get a fair deal from BT and not screw our cap with it.

This is business.

He may be willing to take a bit less, but his less and your or mine less are not going to be the same thing i reckon.

MT is going to be paid big.

Toonage · 02-05-2019, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Split98

They were talking about offer sheets on Hockey Central a few mins ago where they pointed out that it takes both sides to make an offer sheet happen ('they don't just show up in your inbox' they said). I know Keith was a hard negotiator, but I think things have to be going pretty poorly with Tre for Matthew to add an offer sheet to negotiations. Seems like too much of a team-guy to play that game

Exactly. Some random team doesn't just send Tkachuk an offer sheet, which he then just blindly signs.

David Struch · 02-05-2019, 10:49 AM

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What the Senators might be interested in if they move Duchene and/or Stone

Frank Seravalli of TSN: If the Senators are going to trade Matt Duchene and/or Mark Stone, they need to get a first-round pick in the return package.

Craig Button on a few teams that might be interested and who the Senators might be interested in.

Calgary Flames – Dillon Dube and Juuso Valimaki.

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rum...ts/2019/02/05/

keenan87 · 02-05-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by David Struch

https://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rum...ts/2019/02/05/

I would have 0 issues trading Dillon Dube if the return means Mark Stone.

To Ottawa:
1st 2019 (protected for Ottawa, if the Flames draft 20+ this year, they can defer to next season)
Dillon Dube
Michael Frolik
Austin Czarnik

To Calgary:
Mark Stone

I have enough faith in Treliving to make the cap situation work at the end. Frankly, in the off-season, you may even be able to dump Neal+Mangiapane/Pick somewhere.