Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Totally. Letting Palestinians rule Gaza for about twenty years sure was justification to invade Israel.

These posts keep getting dumber and dumber.

Not one of your lot hoping for peace, just more misery.

What do you think peace is? The total destruction of Gaza and the West Bank? I've done nothing but call for an end to the killing of innocent people. You've tried to justify it with every post.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

Israeli Podcasters openly call for the genocide of palestinians.

"Forgive us if we don’t give a #### if everybody there dies. It’s just the way we feel. It’s just the way Israelis feel,” Weinstein said.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/i...-and-west-bank

What in the actual f***? Okay, these guys can't be the norm (even though they are claiming that most Israelis would do the same), right? These 2 guys have to be the most extreme of the extreme, I imagine?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What in the actual f***? Okay, these guys can't be the norm (even though they are claiming that most Israelis would do the same), right? These 2 guys have to be the most extreme of the extreme, I imagine?

I'm sure it's not exactly the norm, but likely more common than you'd want to think. Hell, there have been people in this thread pushing toward that

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by btimbit

I'm sure it's not exactly the norm, but likely more common than you'd want to think. Hell, there have been people in this thread pushing toward that

Maybe. Maybe not. But one suggests it is and the other agrees with him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1830951276915630183

[TheIronMaiden]

Genocide.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Maybe. Maybe not. But one suggests it is and the other agrees with him.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1830951276915630183

These two idiots make Netanyahu(who has that button) look like saint, they should be removed from the internet.

[Samonadreau]

I have no skin in this game, but doesn't Hamas and other organizations want to wipe Jews off the earth? I realize Gaza citizens are not Hamas, but isn't there hate like this on both sides?

Not condoning what was said or that the belief from either side. Just seems like both sides are throwing stones from glass houses.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I have no skin in this game, but doesn't Hamas and other organizations want to wipe Jews off the earth? I realize Gaza citizens are not Hamas, but isn't there hate like this on both sides?

Not condoning what was said or that the belief from either side. Just seems like both sides are throwing stones from glass houses.

Yes, clearly both groups want each other gone. But the point is, the west is funding and arming Israel to carry out these killings, while also condemning Hamas, not enabling them. So one side actually has the capability of wiping the other out, and appears to be marching in that direction(it doesn't take much reading between the lines for this to be clear), while the other is saying the same thing with far less tact, but also completely unable to actually carry it out.

The only ones at risk of being wiped off the map are Palestinians. Also, only one side is a democracy, and participates in the modern world as we do. I don't think it is at all unfair to expect Israel to operate with higher standards than terrorists do(is that really asking too much?). I see the plight of the Palestinian as tragic, indoctrinated as children and raised to hate, but also given many strong reasons to hold tight to that hate by Israel, and exercise it when a glimmer of the possibility of success shows.

So for these two to be openly wishing for the power to murder millions(ignoring the irony of that as well), it should be condemned, because they weren't raised by Hamas, they should know better, they have access to everything they need to live, and yet see one solution.

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Man your posts just get more and more hilarious.

Let's ignore the fact that you won't address your blatant attempt at misrepresenting the IDF "rescue mission"

Let's instead focus on your classic parroting of "IDF is so great, they warn people before bombing them". This has to be one of the most BS lines that pro-Israeli people come up with, as if it completely absolves any behaviour that happens after the fact. That because people are "warned", Israel is then free to do whatever it wants. If that's the case, do you agree that if I tell you I'm going to punch you in the face, then I'm free to do so, and if you don't move, it's your own fault?

In addition, it seems the pro-Israeli crowd conveniently ignores another fact: do you have any idea how big the Gaza Strip actually is and how dense the population is? For reference, the Gaza Strip is ~140 sq. mi. with a population over 2 million people. By comparison, Calgary is ~320 sq. mi with a population of 1.3 million people. So you're putting 50% more people in an area 45% the size. When Israel is so kind as to "warn" people they're about to drop bombs on an entire area, where do you expect them to go? You don't just move tens or hundreds of thousands of people on a whim, especially with the infrastructure that exists(ed) in Palestine.

Israel "warning" about bomb-dropping is nothing more than political optics so they can tell suckers like you that they care. And you buy it hook, line, and sinker and parrot the same BS to others as justification for terrible acts.

What in the name of #### are you even talking about? You're angry about the IDF rescuing a man "because they didn't plan to rescue that guy"? Are you for real?


I said something along the lines of "Nice the IDF rescued this guy" and you vile basement dwellers are like "pffft they didn't even plan to rescue him!" xD
You guys make me laugh, you're like dumb versions of the simpsons comic book guy.



Your comparison is not even close to the same. They warn residents to flee so they can destroy weapon stockpiles. They certainly aren't going to warn if they are trying to kill Hamas, that would be moronic. Hamas use human shields and force people to stay so they can convince smooth brains that "iSra4L Is DurrR GeNoC1DerSS!!11". It works really well too.


You say Israel only cares about optics but you freely admit they do warn people which obviously saves lives. So you're admitting they are limiting casualties, what does it matter how they feel if they are still doing the thing that saves lives?


Do you see how ####ing flawed your argument is and hateful you are? Israel can still do everything to save lives of people they have no obligation to but it doesn't matter because deep down you hate them anyways.

[Bagor]

Lol. Now he's defending indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

You don't by chance do a podcast when you're not ranting nonsensically here?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

What in the name of #### are you even talking about? You're angry about the IDF rescuing a man "because they didn't plan to rescue that guy"? Are you for real?


I said something along the lines of "Nice the IDF rescued this guy" and you vile basement dwellers are like "pffft they didn't even plan to rescue him!" xD

Well, actually, you sarcastically said it “must have been an accident” and it turned out it actually was an accident.

Because you weren’t sharing some good news for the sake of good news, you were trying to distract from what was being discussed and use it as a counter point to people (including hostages and their families) who have an issue with Netanyahu’s efforts to bring hostages home.

Because you don’t care about the hostages, you just care about defending a far right government.

[ThePrince]

“The only democracy in the Middle East”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09...893f1887f93691

[ThePrince]

I said something along the lines of "Nice the IDF rescued this guy" and you vile basement dwellers are like "pffft they didn't even plan to rescue him!" xD

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Looks like "apartheid" Israel just sent IDF to rescue a muslim Israeli from one of those tunnels you say doesn't exist. Oh and Netanyahu doesn't really want to rescue hostages according to your brainless conspiracies but this must have been an accident. Weird how reality doesn't fit into your hate filled agenda.

This gets funnier and funnier. Do you not realize that people can go back and actually look at your posts?

I wasn’t mad that the Israeli’s rescued a hostage, I thought it was hilarious and incredibly stupid that you tried to paint it as a heroic rescue mission, like the above. The IDF was not sent to rescue the Muslim hostage, it was an accident. Which also doesn’t mean Netanyahu cares about rescuing hostages, so do you want to rephrase your complete BS above?

Do you see how ####ing flawed your argument is? And how much hate you’ve been spreading?

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Doctorgenocide. Netanyahu just wants peace.

"No peace on stolen land" amirite?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ovQS7guN7LE

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IK8QvwjOmaA

]https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V2WGBZXoUYo

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QbTun_RE8kg

It's super easy to just be critical. But I'm actually curious, how do you (and others) foresee peace being reached in this conflict?

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by Bagor

Lol. Now he's defending indiscriminate bombing of civilians.

You don't by chance do a podcast when you're not ranting nonsensically here?

Learn what indiscriminate means first. Aren't you gonna be busy listening to podcasts justifying and minimizing the rape and murder of Israelis? Seems like your favorite pastime.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Well, actually, you sarcastically said it “must have been an accident” and it turned out it actually was an accident.

Because you weren’t sharing some good news for the sake of good news, you were trying to distract from what was being discussed and use it as a counter point to people (including hostages and their families) who have an issue with Netanyahu’s efforts to bring hostages home.

Because you don’t care about the hostages, you just care about defending a far right government.

Oh Mr. "Both Sides" is back. Did you want to explain your Oct 7th words yet? Did you want to explain how you believed Hamas was justified that day? Probably not, better to keep pretending like you give a #### about Palestinians. xD

The main reason they are in Gaza is because of the hostages, it's not "by accident" they rescued someone they are looking for. I know you think Netanyahu wants to kill the hostages or eat babies or some other brainless #### but your conspiracies don't really fly.

Originally Posted by ThePrince

This gets funnier and funnier. Do you not realize that people can go back and actually look at your posts?

I wasn’t mad that the Israeli’s rescued a hostage, I thought it was hilarious and incredibly stupid that you tried to paint it as a heroic rescue mission, like the above. The IDF was not sent to rescue the Muslim hostage, it was an accident. Which also doesn’t mean Netanyahu cares about rescuing hostages, so do you want to rephrase your complete BS above?

Do you see how ####ing flawed your argument is? And how much hate you’ve been spreading?

If soldiers going into urban combat against a fortified genocidal terrorist organization backed by brainless ####s across the globe isn't heroic then you need to show me what is. Get your mum to make a fresh batch of meatloaf and you can show me your own brand of heroism on the latest Call of Duty game.

Keep showing everyone how much you will hate on Israel no matter what happens, they rescue people and the hate flows, they defend themselves and the hate flows. The mask keeps slipping and everyone can see you for what you are.

[CalgaryKid12]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When you view the start of the Israel Gaza conflict as October 7th, it's easier to view Hamas as the aggressor. Ignoring everything before that allows you to blame them for everything, and justify the ongoing heinous acts.

There's definitely undertones of bias here, but it's actually a good point. Lots of people have different starting points of the conflict as if to somehow create a tally of "who is worse", when in reality horrendous things have happened on both sides, countless families have lost loved ones, and we're no closer to peace than we've ever been. I mean jeez if we can't find any level of reasonable ground on a Calgary-based message board, how do we expect people that are legitimately fighting for their lives to do so?

Clearly many of us have different backgrounds and viewpoints on these complex matters. I think it would be quite interesting that rather than simply bickering and criticizing one another, what if everyone suggested how they foresee a peaceful resolution being reached in the region.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

Oh Mr. "Both Sides" is back. Did you want to explain your Oct 7th words yet? Did you want to explain how you believed Hamas was justified that day? Probably not, better to keep pretending like you give a #### about Palestinians. xD

The main reason they are in Gaza is because of the hostages, it's not "by accident" they rescued someone they are looking for. I know you think Netanyahu wants to kill the hostages or eat babies or some other brainless #### but your conspiracies don't really fly.

Already explained it and never justified Hamas. Do you ever get tired of this game? Because every post where you pretend certain things didn’t happen and lie about what did happen make you look worse.

If the main reason they’re in Gaza is because of the hostages, why haven’t they made a deal to bring home the hostages?

[Skootenbeeten]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Already explained it and never justified Hamas. Do you ever get tired of this game? Because every post where you pretend certain things didn’t happen and lie about what did happen make you look worse.

If the main reason they’re in Gaza is because of the hostages, why haven’t they made a deal to bring home the hostages?

"Why haven't they made a deal" xD

Why don't you ask your Hamas pals why there is no deal? You think negotiating with a death cult that hides weapons under school and hospitals wants to make a deal? How many cease-fires have to be broken by Hamas before you get it through your head?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Skootenbeeten

"Why haven't they made a deal" xD

Why don't you ask your Hamas pals why there is no deal? You think negotiating with a death cult that hides weapons under school and hospitals wants to make a deal? How many cease-fires have to be broken by Hamas before you get it through your head?

There have been multiple times where a deal has been brokered by third parties and Israel refuses to accept the deal or makes a move like assassinating the person negotiating the deal on the other side.

Are hostages their main priority or aren’t they? According to Israeli hostages and their families, it certainly does not seem like it is. Do you think those people are liars?

[Blaster86]

I'm fairly staunchly Pro-Israel's right to exist and even I think you can't be so naive to think that Bibi has done everything in his power to negotiate the release of the hostages. While I don't trust Hamas to negotiate in good faith, if Bibi wanted the release of the hostages he could get it.