Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not at all...but in the ones discussed in this thread yes. With good reason.

The 9/11 one is the most amazing to me....you would literally of needed thousands of people in on it...all of whom have stayed silent ever since.

Think about it that way.

Using Cold war thinking, not only do the Americans got to keep thousands of their own people silent, intelligence services such as China and Russia have to be kept in the dark, both of which have a great knack for finding out some of America's closest kept secrets. At least something I always imagined to be the case

[bcb]

Originally Posted by C-Life

Find a new word. Maybe people will start listening....

Start listening to what??? None of these theories make any sense. So you substitute "conspiracy" with another word...great, now show me proof.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not at all...but in the ones discussed in this thread yes. With good reason.

The 9/11 one is the most amazing to me....you would literally of needed thousands of people in on it...all of whom have stayed silent ever since.

Think about it that way.

Not only that they would have to have silenced a good friend of mine and his whole family..because unfortunately he died crashing into tower 2 or maybe he's living on some island and can't be reached...NOT!

Again..anyone who believes this crap is a total idiot..In the Name of my good friend I'm offering 10-1 odds starting at $1000.00 for anyone that can prove a conspiracy. If you can't or have no balls get lost!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not at all...but in the ones discussed in this thread yes. With good reason.

The 9/11 one is the most amazing to me....you would literally of needed thousands of people in on it...all of whom have stayed silent ever since.

Think about it that way.

Yeah totally, you would need thousands of people to pull that off. Come on........
Many people have came out and said things about 9/11, but have not been heard by a court, or have been ignored by the media. The first responding fire fighters come to mind here.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by T@T

I'm offering 10-1 odds starting at $1000.00 for anyone that can prove a conspiracy.

Game, set, match.

Like Randi's 1 Million $ prize.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."

To date, no one has passed the preliminary tests.

[CaptainCrunch]

Or they have, but Randi is a ultra top secret government organization that is snatching the winners for use in operation majestic. A project that uses psychics to cover up project 9/11 and project waterworks.

So far the project hasn't been the success that they invisioned because they can't figure out how to harnass the power of spoon bending and reading cards.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Or they have, but Randi is a ultra top secret government organization that is snatching the winners for use in operation majestic. A project that uses psychics to cover up project 9/11 and project waterworks.

So far the project hasn't been the success that they invisioned because they can't figure out how to harnass the power of spoon bending and reading cards.

Or... its working perfectly... too perfectly in fact. Have the only people trying to expose the 9/11 truths use the most backward logic and sorry excuse for facts that have been seen in quite a while so everyone simply laughs them off and ridicules them, keeping them blind to the real evidence that it was in fact pulled off by an ruling elite race of lizard men.
Its so crazy, its brilliant.

[IggyIggyIggyOiOiOi]

Best thread on this board, hands down. Always brightend my day

[666DanceParty]

Well, you aren't going to find any answers unless you actually go looking for them. The reason a lot of information isn't right out in the open and these theories are labeled 'conspiracies' might have something to do with the government not wanting the public to know. 9/11 will always be exactly what it is, and they are obviously not going to start a new investigation no matter what. Glenn beck says '9/11 Truthers are dangerous people' and Barry obama has mentioned that he wont appease the victims families by starting a new investigation even though no matter what you believe happened that horrible day, there are a lot of holes in the story. But of course there are, they had the story all figured about within an hour of the towers falling.
I am not saying I think the whole thing was an inside job or "Im with the terrorists"(Bush), but there are a lot of variables to be looked at before conclusions can be jumped to. The original investigation was a sad joke and the 9/11 report had no mention whatsoever of Building 7, which Larry silverstein admitted was a controlled demolition. I posted a documentary a few weeks back about the pentagon attacks and how the story doesn't add up and the same can be said about Flight 93 and the very questionable crash site.
Anyways, I am not about to write a book about this right now but I believe that if someone questions George W. and company, they maybe shouldn't be labeled as an idiot. The official story just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, thats all, and i would my proof that a few terrorists that couldnt even fly a two passenger plane, made this whole thing happen.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

The reason a lot of information isn't right out in the open and these theories are labeled 'conspiracies' might have something to do with the government not wanting the public to know.

* eyeroll *

[666DanceParty]

Originally Posted by Gozer

* eyeroll *

That seems to be the popular trend here. Why wont the government just release all the details and answer all the questions if everything just happened the way they said it did? What do they have to hide?

I wouldn't worry about it though, ignorance is bliss.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

That seems to be the popular trend here. Why wont the government just release all the details and answer all the questions if everything just happened the way they said it did? What do they have to hide?

I wouldn't worry about it though, ignorance is bliss.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Well, you aren't going to find any answers unless you actually go looking for them. The reason a lot of information isn't right out in the open and these theories are labeled 'conspiracies' might have something to do with the government not wanting the public to know. 9/11 will always be exactly what it is, and they are obviously not going to start a new investigation no matter what. Glenn beck says '9/11 Truthers are dangerous people' and Barry obama has mentioned that he wont appease the victims families by starting a new investigation even though no matter what you believe happened that horrible day, there are a lot of holes in the story. But of course there are, they had the story all figured about within an hour of the towers falling.
I am not saying I think the whole thing was an inside job or "Im with the terrorists"(Bush), but there are a lot of variables to be looked at before conclusions can be jumped to. The original investigation was a sad joke and the 9/11 report had no mention whatsoever of Building 7, which Larry silverstein admitted was a controlled demolition. I posted a documentary a few weeks back about the pentagon attacks and how the story doesn't add up and the same can be said about Flight 93 and the very questionable crash site.
Anyways, I am not about to write a book about this right now but I believe that if someone questions George W. and company, they maybe shouldn't be labeled as an idiot. The official story just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, thats all, and i would my proof that a few terrorists that couldnt even fly a two passenger plane, made this whole thing happen.

Two things,

The first, thats the whole beam of the conspiracy theory . . . well there's no evidence because the government is covering it up, again it ignores the base argument that in order for the government to cover up an operation of the size and requirement of 9/11 . . . hijacking jets, shutting down air defenses, planting demolition charges in buildings etc would be a coverup on the magnatude of thousands. And you have to admit that if some of these 9/11 truthers were actually onto something they would have a massive fatality rate. Shouldn't Alex Jones be sitting in some super secret government supermax facility if he was onto something.

The sad fact is that the 9/11 truthers have created a nice little cottage industry where they sell books, they sell movies, they sell their time on the nutcase lecture circuit.

to be honest they have no onus to put the facts out there except for the ones that serve their stories. A good example of that is the suppossed use of thermite to bring down the world trade center, where they ignore that the government would have had to use 18000 lbs of reactants in order to do it.

Again you point out to Larry Silverstein and the whole admitting to blowing up the buildings, and you miss the simple fact that has been backed up 6 ways to sunday, when he used the phrase "pull it" it was not about blowing up the building, it was about pulling the fire fighters back.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Now Tower,
After saying all of that, yes, please let me know what you think of at least the last two links you've posted.

Do you really belive that Bilderbergers are creating a one world government, and if so to what end. And do you belive that there is something to this water scandal?

You said if I wanted to know you'd post your thoughts on all the theories in this thread, I think to this point I've got your views mostly figured out on the big ones, but these two intrigue me (particularily the Bilderbergers) so just those two should suffice please.
Thanks

The B Group,

The first point to mention here is "corporations".

The B Group are a bunch of Corporate Heads. Only the best and richest and powerful are invited. CANADA is also a Corporation.

CANADA (Central Index Key 0000230098) registered on the Securities Exchange Commission and its business Address is CANADIAN EMBASSY 1746 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW WASHINGTON DC 20036.

Who is head of this Corporation? Stephan Harper.

As it was pointed out earlier the Leader of other corporations attend as well. A book store corporation... Harmless.?

It's media and media is needed to be controlled.

What is the goal for Corporations? Now, here is where it gets unique.

Corporations exist for profit. That is why they are created. They are PERSONS in all the legal sense but have no conscience. So you may act with in a corporation and as long as the bottom line is being met you will stay with the corporation.

If the B Group is built with levels of the most powerful leaders of corporations they have the money, influence, and lack of conscience (as they are acting under the corporate goal) and gather to plan to meet that main goal of profit.

Have you seen "The Corporation"? It's won 37 awards throughout the world and is made by Canadians. You can view it shareware on Youtube. It explains the PERSON (Corporation) very well.

http://www.thecorporation.com/

So, yes. The Bilderberg group IMO is not a healthy group at all. IMO they are there for profit and when you want profit ASAP you need the power to get it.

[corporatejay]

What is Canada's trading symbol, I would like to purchase some stock.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Well, you aren't going to find any answers unless you actually go looking for them. The reason a lot of information isn't right out in the open and these theories are labeled 'conspiracies' might have something to do with the government not wanting the public to know. 9/11 will always be exactly what it is, and they are obviously not going to start a new investigation no matter what. Glenn beck says '9/11 Truthers are dangerous people' and Barry obama has mentioned that he wont appease the victims families by starting a new investigation even though no matter what you believe happened that horrible day, there are a lot of holes in the story. But of course there are, they had the story all figured about within an hour of the towers falling.
I am not saying I think the whole thing was an inside job or "Im with the terrorists"(Bush), but there are a lot of variables to be looked at before conclusions can be jumped to. The original investigation was a sad joke and the 9/11 report had no mention whatsoever of Building 7, which Larry silverstein admitted was a controlled demolition. I posted a documentary a few weeks back about the pentagon attacks and how the story doesn't add up and the same can be said about Flight 93 and the very questionable crash site.
Anyways, I am not about to write a book about this right now but I believe that if someone questions George W. and company, they maybe shouldn't be labeled as an idiot. The official story just doesn't make a lot of sense to me, thats all, and i would my proof that a few terrorists that couldnt even fly a two passenger plane, made this whole thing happen.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The sad fact is that the 9/11 truthers have created a nice little cottage industry where they sell books, they sell movies, they sell their time on the nutcase lecture circuit.

Except you can view most 9/11 doc's online for free. I don't think its about money........

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Except you can view most 9/11 doc's online for free. I don't think its about money........

Sure, but you have to admit there is a massive amount of conspiracy theory books for sale on line. The free stuff gets you hooked.

Its always about the money.

[666DanceParty]

Well clearly you have done a little homework on the matter CC, and have some very valid points and i am certainly not going to call you down for them. There are still a lot of holes in the story, which I think even you have to admit, and all i am trying to do is encourage people to ask questions and see for themselves rather than just rolling their eyes. Also, can you perhaps explain the news report where they report the collapse of building 7 and it is still seen standing over the left shoulder of the reporter? That one sure had me confused. Anyways, this is by far my favourite thread and I really enjoy everybody bickering over things that nobody is going to be able to prove anyways.

On another note, here is a little documentary that i found interesting about the 7/7 London Bombings which presents another side of the official story. That whole event left me scratching my head and questioning the world as i thought i knew it....enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APh0W...4AC5E8&index=6

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Tower

The B Group,

The first point to mention here is "corporations".

The B Group are a bunch of Corporate Heads. Only the best and richest and powerful are invited. CANADA is also a Corporation.

CANADA (Central Index Key 0000230098) registered on the Securities Exchange Commission and its business Address is CANADIAN EMBASSY 1746 MASSACHUSETTS AVE NW WASHINGTON DC 20036.

Who is head of this Corporation? Stephan Harper.

As it was pointed out earlier the Leader of other corporations attend as well. A book store corporation... Harmless.?

It's media and media is needed to be controlled.

What is the goal for Corporations? Now, here is where it gets unique.

Corporations exist for profit. That is why they are created. They are PERSONS in all the legal sense but have no conscience. So you may act with in a corporation and as long as the bottom line is being met you will stay with the corporation.

If the B Group is built with levels of the most powerful leaders of corporations they have the money, influence, and lack of conscience (as they are acting under the corporate goal) and gather to plan to meet that main goal of profit.

Have you seen "The Corporation"? It's won 37 awards throughout the world and is made by Canadians. You can view it shareware on Youtube. It explains the PERSON (Corporation) very well.

http://www.thecorporation.com/

So, yes. The Bilderberg group IMO is not a healthy group at all. IMO they are there for profit and when you want profit ASAP you need the power to get it.

You have a lot of misconceptions about what a corporation actually is. Most corporations are privately owned and run by small businesses.

They act to shield the owners from liability. Imagine if you were running, for example, a painting company and an employee fell off a roof. Without a corporation the employee could sue you and take everything you own, including your house/car etc.. With a corporation the employee can only take assets in the business.

In the case of large corporations they allow people to raise large amounts of capital they otherwise couldn't. How fair do you think it would be if someone who owns one share in a company could be sued for everything they own becasue the company has made a mistake? Without corporations companies like Ford and GM could not exist. There would be noone to manufacture cars or carry on any business that allows the raising of capital. In other words we would fall back to the stone age quickly.

As for the movie "the corporation", I know all about it. I went to UBC Law, where Joel Bakan teaches. I have had many disagreements with him about his film. I consider it to be sensationalist. To an educated audience it exposes the dangers of corporations. It, however, fails to mention any of the advantages or why and how a coporation actually works. Thus to an uneducated audience it becomes another propaganda tool.

I also don't see why the Bilderberg group having affiliations with corporations would help them in any way or why heads of state would need to be associated with corporations. If they have the kind of money and power you are talking about, that in itself would give them the power to rule. You've just associated the word corporation with them, because it's some bizarre prerequisite for evil.