Zeitgeist, 9/11, and Other Conspiracies

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Tower

It says it on the website so read it as it is right there... I have no need nor want to hold your hand. I'm just posting it as it is something the website owners are saying and this is the conspiracy thread and to keep it easy and respectful for the mods who donate their time I post it in here. I don't care what you think or they (website) think, but I found that site interesting non the less.

As you see Res, I have not made these claims. I am not serving papers nor am I injured party in this BC matter. Just because it is posted on here in this thread does not mean it is believed by me nor anyone else. It is just a conspiracy.

So do I feel a need to answer for you challenge on a conspiracy I just read about and posted it in the conspiracy thread??? No. Not at all.

I will however defend the fact that I read it and posted it in a conspiracy thread. Did you know that is what this thread is and has been pretty much since it started? It began as you might well know, on a conspiracy movie!

Anyway, if I bump into any more conspiracy sites or matters I will post them here. I don't care if you read them or don't read them however stop putting words in my mouth and quit acting like a child.

LOL - "I just post all the garbage I find, but I don't stand behind any of it."

Unreal.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

My favorite part of this thread is how fast some people point their fingers and laugh at someone for believing something labeled as a 'conspiracy' might be true.
If you believe what mainstream media reports and don't want to give an alternate theory a chance that's fine, but it just seems a little weird to me how some folks feel the need to stomp it down like it matters so much to them to do so.

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. But go right ahead and shut out that plausibility and belittle anyone that questions anything...

Ask yourself the question when you view these sites. Do they have evidence that you could take into a court of law and it would survive examination?

The answer pretty much is no.

Now if you could go into a court room and base something on loosly collected evidence with no logic backing it whatsoever, then you not only have a dismissal, but you have a conspiracy theory. However the nice loophole that seems to pervade everything is that the government is so bloody competant that they can supress this information.

The problem with Tower is that he refuses to or can't defend any of his claims in a rational manner, and neither can most of the websites that he brings up.

Its all about shadowy evil organizations.

And while they might exist, they're to busy masterbating while playing D+D to rule the world.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Tower

It says it on the website so read it as it is right there... I have no need nor want to hold your hand. I'm just posting it as it is something the website owners are saying and this is the conspiracy thread and to keep it easy and respectful for the mods who donate their time I post it in here. I don't care what you think or they (website) think, but I found that site interesting non the less.

As you see Res, I have not made these claims. I am not serving papers nor am I injured party in this BC matter. Just because it is posted on here in this thread does not mean it is believed by me nor anyone else. It is just a conspiracy.

So do I feel a need to answer for you challenge on a conspiracy I just read about and posted it in the conspiracy thread??? No. Not at all.

I will however defend the fact that I read it and posted it in a conspiracy thread. Did you know that is what this thread is and has been pretty much since it started? It began as you might well know, on a conspiracy movie!

Anyway, if I bump into any more conspiracy sites or matters I will post them here. I don't care if you read them or don't read them however stop putting words in my mouth and quit acting like a child. Although there seems to be a lot here that are child like...

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Tower

I will however defend the fact that I read it and posted it in a conspiracy thread. Did you know that is what this thread is and has been pretty much since it started? It began as you might well know, on a conspiracy movie!

Let me translate this out of Tower-speak for those of us who are unable to see thru the mess of words to the underlying "meaning":

"I am going to post a bunch of random conspiracy theories, but I won't bother letting you know whether or not I think they are valid. Just because I believe in the awesomely wrong-headed 'freeman-on-the-land' movement, doesn't mean I am a complete nutter.

Your mission - should you choose to take it - is to somehow determine whether or not the particular link I post is something I believe or just something I find 'interesting'. My mission will be to call you 'childish' if you guess the wrong way, and then to feel smugly superior that you have fallen for my tricks."

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tower

As you see Res, I have not made these claims.

...

So do I feel a need to answer for you challenge on a conspiracy I just read about and posted it in the conspiracy thread??? No. Not at all.

Par for the course. You knowingly post lies, and lack the courage to defend them.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

You knowingly post lies, and lack the courage to defend them.

You are super. This is a bit childish....

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tower

You are super. This is a bit childish....

Your act is wearing thin.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Your act is wearing thin.

The act that I wont fully participate with individuals who act like pricks?

Does not bother me flameswin.

However, most of the time you're a cool guy, and I wish you the best.

Peace bro,

Tower

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Tower

The act that I wont fully participate with individuals who act like pricks?

Does not bother me flameswin.

However, most of the time you're a cool guy, and I wish you the best.

Peace bro,

Tower

Correction; ALL of the time, I'm a cool guy.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

You are super. This is a bit childish....

Honestly dude, what do you expect when you post a link to some site without adding any sort of commentary?
A simple "I'm not sure what to think of this, but it is interesting" at least lets people know that you aren't posting it because you belive it.

What do you think would happen if someone posted quotes and a link to he Aryan Guard website without some sort of comment like "Holy crap these guys are all sorts of crazy"?
Exactly what happens when you post some big old pile of crazy and don't even comment on it. People would assume that the person is posting it because they want others to read and belive the information they've posted.

I think it's pretty well understood that in a thread like this, just posting a quote from, and a link to a website, is pretty much akin to an endorsment of that website.

It's just another great example of your incredible knack for trolling.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Honestly dude, what do you expect when you post a link to some site without adding any sort of commentary?
A simple "I'm not sure what to think of this, but it is interesting" at least lets people know that you aren't posting it because you belive it.

What do you think would happen if someone posted quotes and a link to he Aryan Guard website without some sort of comment like "Holy crap these guys are all sorts of crazy"?
Exactly what happens when you post some big old pile of crazy and don't even comment on it. People would assume that the person is posting it because they want others to read and belive the information they've posted.

I think it's pretty well understood that in a thread like this, just posting a quote from, and a link to a website, is pretty much akin to an endorsment of that website.

Okay. Fair enough.

However, what I believe or you or anyone for that matter is immaterial to anyone else. If a man wants to believe in "Planet X" for example. Who are we to stop him or tell him he is a freak? I believe it's sci-fi but great on him! He is not hurting anyone for his belief. I ran into a guy (looked really unhealthy) and he was spouting off on the great cleansing! And the realignment of negative energy to neutral. Thus balancing the heavens and returning man to it's rightful peaceful existence. etc. Do I believe that? Hell no. But it was the best conversation I had all weekend. Where did I find this guy? Out having coffee at a starbucks. I strike up conversations with all kinds of people that I don't know. The thing is, I don't believe one is crazy to believe in GOD or the Devil, or inter-dimensional plains. Who cares as long as what you do does not harm another IMO.

So I'll offer to you, if you are truly inclined to care, that I'll go back in this thread and post what I think on each topic I brought up and then you can comment constructively and without malice what I post. If a response is posted with malice or not constructive I will ignore it.

Fair?

Some of the stuff I put in here.... Ha ha ha yes if one believes I have faith in the specific topic I can see how some may want me seeing a specialist... "But I'm not harming anyone!" LOL

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

You fail...

Of course I fail. We all fail every time we get into this nonsense.

Apply just a little bit of common sense to that Harper/Bilderberg comment you brought up.

It says that Harper attended their event in 2003 in Versailles. Then it says they don't like Harper because he is against the Kyoto Accord, which is their baby.

4 years later Harper is the Prime Minister and he dumps the Kyoto Accord.

Who is controlling who? How did Harper get elected if they don't like him? How can he dump Kyoto if they don't want him to? He's either gone rogue or the Bilderberg people don't actually control him. It has to be one way or the other. Which way do you think it is?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Tower

The act that I wont fully participate with individuals who act like pricks?

You are living proof of why conspiracy nuts fail on a regular basis. You've shown no ability to think critically on anything you've ever brought up.

The greatest irony of people like you is that while your kind will argue up and down that people need to "think for themselves" and not blindly devote themselves to what the mainstream media is telling them, yet when people take a critical eye towards what YOU and your preferred segment of "media" are saying, you bury your heads into the sand.

The simple fact is, not a single thing you have ever said in this thread can withstand a critical analysis. That is why you don't bother with any rebuttals. You would rather live in denial than watch your illusionary world come crumbling down.

The difference between you and me is that I read fantasy to relax and escape. You've made fantasy the centre of your reality.

[kermitology]

Tower,

You're right. It doesn't matter what you believe, or what I believe, or what anyone else believes. But if you're simply going to post something and tell people they need to look into it, you have to do a little more work.

Don't you get that? That's the biggest problem people have. You put up these links to websites, with a certain section quoted, but people are asking you to debate the merits of what you've posted. Clearly you believe this stuff or you wouldn't bother posting so much of it.

If it's something you do believe in strongly and want others to listen.. well.. you can't ask them to do all the work for you. You have to present your case.

You're still bat-shiat crazy though.. Just in case people were wondering if I didn't think that.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Tower

Okay. Fair enough.

However, what I believe or you or anyone for that matter is immaterial to anyone else. If a man wants to believe in "Planet X" for example. Who are we to stop him or tell him he is a freak? I believe it's sci-fi but great on him! He is not hurting anyone for his belief. I ran into a guy (looked really unhealthy) and he was spouting off on the great cleansing! And the realignment of negative energy to neutral. Thus balancing the heavens and returning man to it's rightful peaceful existence. etc. Do I believe that? Hell no. But it was the best conversation I had all weekend. Where did I find this guy? Out having coffee at a starbucks. I strike up conversations with all kinds of people that I don't know. The thing is, I don't believe one is crazy to believe in GOD or the Devil, or inter-dimensional plains. Who cares as long as what you do does not harm another IMO.

So I'll offer to you, if you are truly inclined to care, that I'll go back in this thread and post what I think on each topic I brought up and then you can comment constructively and without malice what I post. If a response is posted with malice or not constructive I will ignore it.

Fair?

Some of the stuff I put in here.... Ha ha ha yes if one believes I have faith in the specific topic I can see how some may want me seeing a specialist... "But I'm not harming anyone!" LOL

Fair is fair, and I'll do my best to be constructive here as I point out several contradictions you've made in just your last few posts.

1st, you say you understand my point that when you post something without commentary, it's reasonable for someone to assume that is an edorsement of the information on that site, yet when asked by Resolute for the names of the people that the website is claiming to have resigned (something I couldn't find either), you instantly went back to your old standby of accusing everone of being a child. This is something you've done nearly every time anyone has asked you for any sort of proof to any of your claims. Wheter of not you belive in this particular theory is irrelevant.

You say you won't deal with people who are malicous or are "Pricks" yet calling everyone childish is your go to response when someone asks you to substantiate your claim. It seems to me that you are the one who is preemptively malicious, and much of what you precieve as malice towards you is in fact a response to your lack of cooperation, and perpensity to calling everyone a child.

Asking someone to present evidence of a belief (that in this case the poster thought you shared) isn't childish, it is rational thinking.

The point of debate is to gather your arguments in a logical way and to present them with proof so that they can be substantiated. Telling the people on the other side to go look it up themselves, if they don't belive you, is not only a horrible way to convince people that they are correct, but in my opinion is in fact the childish response.

If you're really interested in debating, spreading your way of thinking, or even just informing people of what they might not know, then you're going about it all wrong.

Take for example the freeman-on-the-land concept that has been talked about so much. We've asked you to present proof on occasions too numerous to count, and you've flat out refused to tell us anything of your own experience, somthing that if what you're telling us is correct you should have plenty of experience to back it up. Instead you call us childish and tell us you won't spoon feed us.

So then what is your purpose in telling us these things?
If you want us to know so that we can learn about it, then you're not doing a very good job of convincing anyone. I've never had a teacher tell me that if I don't believe them it's my responsiblity to run the experiment myself and verify it. They've shown me proof off their claims.

If however your reason for telling us all of this is so that you can flaunt that you don't have to pay speeding tickets, and can't be arrested, with no intention of sharing how we can share in your good fortune, then that is really akin to a 6 year old nephew telling me "Guess what? I've got a secret".

So which is more childish? Asking someone to show you what what they claim is true. Or refusing to give proof when someone doesn't belive you?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Now Tower,
After saying all of that, yes, please let me know what you think of at least the last two links you've posted.

Do you really belive that Bilderbergers are creating a one world government, and if so to what end. And do you belive that there is something to this water scandal?

You said if I wanted to know you'd post your thoughts on all the theories in this thread, I think to this point I've got your views mostly figured out on the big ones, but these two intrigue me (particularily the Bilderbergers) so just those two should suffice please.
Thanks

[transplant99]

Just to add....

I have been watching/reading and listening for nearly 15 years now on the whole US/Canada water issue. There is little doubt the US wants to import Canada's water when necessary....that is hardly a conspiracy however. I mean what country doesnt? Canada lays claim to almost 1/4 of the earths fresh water supply depending on the resolution of some ongoing legal disputes. The US is hardly alone in their wish to get in that action.

And i think this is the kind of thing that lends itself to the whole bat-crap crazies that live in the world. Particularly in North America. If there is a reason for something that could have ANY other agenda behind it than the one presented...the theorists then get to work to try and show it. Even when the evidence that they want to find isnt there, ANY sort of deviation from what one would consider obvious is then spun into a grand conspiracy.


This example is a great one. The US wanting fresh water reserves in Canada....has now grown into a level of paranoia that includes the removal of Premiers, Prime Ministers and Cheif Justices. It's so freaking demented, unsound and impractical it grows an entire life of its own....which is where the lunatic fringe grab onto it, because that's what they need. It's really quite sad actually.

[photon]

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

My favorite part of this thread is how fast some people point their fingers and laugh at someone for believing something labeled as a 'conspiracy' might be true.

It only appears fast if you don't know the history or the details.

If someone comes up to me to tell me the moon landing was a hoax, I'm going to ask them what evidence they have. If they bring well reasoned evidence they'll get well reasoned responses.

If they regurgitate the same old nonsense that has been dealt with over and over then I'm going to point them in the directions to educate themselves. If they fail to do that, if they continue to make basic mistakes in simple reasoning and standards of evidence, then what else can be done? You can't reason someone out of a belief they didn't reason themselves into.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

If you believe what mainstream media reports and don't want to give an alternate theory a chance that's fine, but it just seems a little weird to me how some folks feel the need to stomp it down like it matters so much to them to do so.

I bet very few here trust the mainstream media any further than they can throw them. Blindly trusting the media is 100% true and believing the media is complicity in grand conspiracy aren't the only two options.

The media is rarely a source of information, merely a medium for that information.

Originally Posted by 666DanceParty

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. But go right ahead and shut out that plausibility and belittle anyone that questions anything...

Sure truth is stranger than fiction.. but truth also has that quality of being true, demonstrably so. That's the only thing that matters, not what one things, but what can one demonstrate.

[C-Life]

So.... what conspiracy are you guys arguing about?

After going 43 pages you guys are so far off base its not even funny.



Anyways, I myself have been laughed at for bringing up "conspiracies." Its annoying because people close their minds as soon as they hear the word "conspiracy."
Honestly if you can get away without ever saying the word you'll be in better shape. The word "conspiracy" has been ripped apart, spit on, kicked in the nuts and left in the gutter.

Find a new word. Maybe people will start listening....

[transplant99]

Its annoying because people close their minds as soon as they hear the word "conspiracy."

Not at all...but in the ones discussed in this thread yes. With good reason.

The 9/11 one is the most amazing to me....you would literally of needed thousands of people in on it...all of whom have stayed silent ever since.

Think about it that way.