[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

You basically answered your own question.



I'd wager that we've more or less gotten the best out of Lindholm. Why pay double for less?



We are not in a position to pay him more for what he 'has done' as much as realistically evaluate what he 'will do.'

There is this thing called "inflation." You probably get paid more to do the same job now as you did six years ago, too.

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[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

There is this thing called "inflation." You probably get paid more to do the same job now as you did six years ago, too.

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Yeah. But I'm also better at it now than I was six years ago and I'll be even better at it 8 years from now.

Can you say the same about Lindholm?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

Yeah. But I'm also better at it now than I was six years ago and I'll be even better at it 8 years from now.



Can you say the same about Lindholm?

No, but I am confident he is not going to be any worse in the short term. He will get a contract that pays him market rate.

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[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, but I am confident he is not going to be any worse in the short term. He will get a contract that pays him market rate.

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With a bargain bin coaching staff and 30 point Sharangovich as his best available RW instead of Conn Smythe/Hart candidate Tkachuk?

It must be so nice living on that planet.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No, but I am confident he is not going to be any worse in the short term. He will get a contract that pays him market rate.

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So what?

Have you seen the state of the Flames' roster?

We shipped out our top scorer, one of our better Dmen is on the block, one of our most consistent centers is unsure about staying and hes 35 anyways and we have the worst starting goalie in the NHL.

So Lindholm is good for 2 or 3 more years? So what? Its not going to move our needle.

Embrace it and move him for assets. This group isnt competing for anything. For the next 2-4 years I predict that they will be the 17th best team in the NHL.

[Locke]

Oh yeah...and we have too much money tied up in antiques.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You don't think playing with Tkachuk and Gaudreau might have inflated his numbers relative to Huberdeau and Lucic?

Great players elevate those around them, and put up points regardless of how scrubby their linemates are - like McNuggets and Crysaddle put up 100+ points no matter how many AHL plebs they see within their 30+ minutes of ice time. Tkachuk put up a season for the ages with Samwise ****ing Bennett as his centre.

Lindholm was clearly the 3rd best player on that line, and his numbers reflect it. I don't think that much can really be argued. While I don't ncecessarily think he will be a 55-60 point player for his entire contract (nor will Huberdeau) with a good coach, I also don't think the Flames currently have a good coach, and they may not before age inevitably takes its toll on their ability. Therefore, he will be overpaid for the duration of any 8 year extension, his presence or absence makes no material difference to the Flames' chances of winning anything of repute, and should be traded.

Management feels differently. I don't care anymore, but management is dead-ass wrong.

By 'last year' I meant with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

This year, he played with Toffoli and a revolving door of LWs.

As I said, other than last year with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, he has played with pretty average line-mates, for a top line player. And yet he is 15th in points, over whatever term they mentioned above.

Some of you are so set on your narrative, that you are blind to the facts.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

With a bargain bin coaching staff and 30 point Sharangovich as his best available RW instead of Conn Smythe/Hart candidate Tkachuk?

It must be so nice living on that planet.

You really think the coaching will be worse this season?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

By 'last year' I meant with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

This year, he played with Toffoli and a revolving door of LWs.

As I said, other than last year with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, he has played with pretty average line-mates, for a top line player. And yet he is 15th in points, over whatever term they mentioned above.

Some of you are so set on your narrative, that you are blind to the facts.

I'm not at all saying Lindholm is a bad player. Or that he was or will be, I'm simply saying that for the duration of Lindholm's most likely last few career productive years this team is going to suck out loud.

Lindholm or no Lindholm.

So why throw another boat-anchor contract on board?

Trade him. Move forward.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

By 'last year' I meant with Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

This year, he played with Toffoli and a revolving door of LWs.

As I said, other than last year with Gaudreau and Tkachuk, he has played with pretty average line-mates, for a top line player. And yet he is 15th in points, over whatever term they mentioned above.

Some of you are so set on your narrative, that you are blind to the facts.

Since he joined Calgary.

15th in pts among C's. 13th in G's 20th in A's. 3rd in +/-.

https://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?re...=0&pageSize=50

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm not at all saying Lindholm is a bad player. Or that he was or will be, I'm simply saying that for the duration of Lindholm's most likely last few career productive years this team is going to suck out loud.

Lindholm or no Lindholm.

So why throw another boat-anchor contract on board?

Trade him. Move forward.

If you don't want to sign him, that's fine. (And you've stated that about 50 times now)

My post was to people denying the facts that transplant99 posted. It's one thing to not want to sign him, it's another to deny facts in order to suit the narrative,

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

So what?

Have you seen the state of the Flames' roster?

We shipped out our top scorer...

Who had a career year on Elias Lindholm's wing.

one of our better Dmen is on the block...

Who will return assets to go along with the return of a young, improving top-four defenseman who missed all of last season.

and we have the worst starting goalie in the NHL.

Who was second in Vezina voting the previous year.

It astonishes me following a year of such obvious underachievement, numerous uncharacteristically poor performances and bad coaching that so many posters are just completely convinced that this team is no better than how they finished the season.

I choose to be optimistic because there are legitimate reasons to be optimistic about the coming season. Forgive me for not wallowing in the mire of your cynicism with you.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

With a bargain bin coaching staff and 30 point Sharangovich as his best available RW instead of Conn Smythe/Hart candidate Tkachuk?

It must be so nice living on that planet.

It's great. And I can only think it beats the hell out of wherever you are with the constant bitching that you commit to.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

Trade him. Move forward.

Right, but that looks like it is not happening. So, maybe you are the one who should be moving forward?

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by tkflames

If the flames had a real vision...instead of "hang on for dear life and hope for the best" this would be an easy decision.

If you are going for it in the next 3 years...then load the f* up and let the cards fall where they may. Get the best coach, the best gm, start the propaganda machine for how close we are and sell the farm and futures.

If you are going to be good again in 5-8 years, then sell at the maximum value between now and the deadline...take picks, retain salary, do whatever you need to maximize assets and not screw yourself with bad contracts in 5-8 years. Hell trade huberdeau/Kadri for a bad contract that expires in 4-5 years for a player that sucks already.

We are so half pregnant...and we have a big chunk of the fan base endorsing the stupidity for some reason. It's fine to hope for the best once the cards are dealt...but we don't have to endorse the stupidity as it's happening.

Tell us what your real vision would be. Would it be the 14 year Buffalo or 13 year Edmonton rebuild?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There is a difference between endorsing it and accepting it.
Don't confuse the two.

"Accepting it" could be the custom namebar on any Flames jersey.

[Caged Great]

High quality two way centers are worth their weight in gold. I'm entirely for keeping Lindholm even though his age in year 6-8 of an extension.

Lindholm should be considered a franchise player because of his rare skillset.

Need to find other ways of scoring besides him.

It's sort of like how keeping Backlund has and also should be a priority. Players that make those around them better are always worth it even if their skills fade in time.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I dont understand this narrative at all.

Since he became a Flame he is 15 in the entire NHL in points. So offense has been tremendous.

Defensively he has been elite.

So....what is it you would consider "enough"?

Genuinely curious.

I'm not one for eliminating one good season to push a narrative normally, but in Lindholm's case I think it is important to note his 2021/2022 season with two superstars that aren't here anymore being a slight anomaly.

[getoverit]

I luv Lindy but I don’t want to pay $9.5m for 8 years. Rather collect strong assets and sign Backs for 2-3 yrs til we find replacement. Be nice to have cap space for a change this year

[Paulie Walnuts]

After career years Lindholm still looked like a player who was playing to potential while Johnny and Matthew stunk it up for 2 seasons.

Lindholm was not some slug who benefited from two guys who had everything to play for after they both sewered their worth with pathetic performances.