Sutter is the problem

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Mangiapane has been one of the team's best players all season. Don't confuse a poor shooting percentage with a lost cause.

the guy is the 33rd ranked forward in the league this season in xGF%

I agree. He's been a high end finisher his entire career (dating back to Junior).

He would have 31 goals right now if he was shooting at his averages over the previous two seasons. The chances of him "bouncing back" are extremely high.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Completely uncalled for. Having a different opinion and recognizing a positive about the Oilers doesn't make anyone an Oiler fan.

Agree. We have E=NG for merciless dumping on the Oilers and all things Edmonton.

[1qqaaz]

Rob Kerr on the After Burner said that Murray Edwards hired Darryl Sutter, not Treliving.
Kerr said he knows this for a fact.
They were about to acquire Zucker, but they needed Edwards' permission, and Edwards wasn't available. Boomer said that this has happened many times.

I had heard rumors of these things, but I didn't know they were conclusive.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by 81MC

If the multimillion dollar paycheque isn’t enough to put up with a big meanie boss, these players can all get ####ed.

Imagine waking into your office where you’ll collect $10 000 a day, and deciding you’re not going to do your job as well as you can because your boss is a dick. Not a shred of reality if that’s the case man. Never mind he led a team to what should have been success just last year, 300 days of big bad boss and you just get to decide to not try because you don’t like them personally.

Embarrassing.

This is so out of touch with reality.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

That's a terrible take. The poster was describing certain traits of Woodcroft which are good. Also- Woodcroft's team plays a much more structured game than his predecessors.

You changed the goal posts and completely are discussing a different topic of whether or not Woodcroft has the team playing at max potential.

Hate when posters do this. Drum up some random potential negative to counteract an unrelated positive.

Good lord!!!
please lets not talk about Woodcroft any more.
he's oblivious, barely relevant.
He rides coat tails, he thinks he's the savior and talks like everyone is beneath him

the most annoying type of fool

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Completely uncalled for. Having a different opinion and recognizing a positive about the Oilers doesn't make anyone an Oiler fan.

If anything all that type of response does is unveil some pretty discouraging insecurities about Flames fans. The Flames have been a better team over the last 30 years, no need to have a cry the second anyone notices something they're doing that is a positive.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Rob Kerr on the After Burner said that Murray Edwards hired Darryl Sutter, not Treliving.
Kerr said he knows this for a fact.
They were about to acquire Zucker, but they needed Edwards' permission, and Edwards wasn't available. Boomer said that this has happened many times.

I had heard rumors of these things, but I didn't know they were conclusive.

Ben Bishop was the other case where supposedly they had a trade made but needed Edwards sign off, and he couldn't be reached. Think that was 16-17 and then Bishop was traded to LAK instead.

The Darryl Sutter hiring always seemed to be obviously a Edwards hire. Don't think Treliving necessarily opposed it, but I do think that Sutter was the only coach Edwards would probably open up the chequebook for.

[Yeah_Baby]

E=NG is a way of life, but it doesn't mean not living and discussing reality.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Completely uncalled for. Having a different opinion and recognizing a positive about the Oilers doesn't make anyone an Oiler fan.

Hasn't that poster been outed as an Oiler fan already?

[Vinny01]

I have no idea where to put this but I do wonder if Treliving will be a potential fit for Pittsburgh in the offseason. I think Hextall is in big trouble especially looking at how all these great Philly prospects he drafted failed to really turn into much. The Pens might miss the playoffs and are committed to winning.

If Burke stays on as President and names a new GM I could easily see Burke hiring Treliving a second time. Tree gets a new opportunity and gets to manage one of the best players ever.

[madmike]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Rob Kerr on the After Burner said that Murray Edwards hired Darryl Sutter, not Treliving.
Kerr said he knows this for a fact.
They were about to acquire Zucker, but they needed Edwards' permission, and Edwards wasn't available. Boomer said that this has happened many times.

I had heard rumors of these things, but I didn't know they were conclusive.

This isn’t how a professional sports organization is supposed to be run. But I guess it’s no shock with Edwards in charge.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ben Bishop was the other case where supposedly they had a trade made but needed Edwards sign off, and he couldn't be reached. Think that was 16-17 and then Bishop was traded to LAK instead.

The Darryl Sutter hiring always seemed to be obviously a Edwards hire. Don't think Treliving necessarily opposed it, but I do think that Sutter was the only coach Edwards would probably open up the chequebook for.

It always bothered me, but I didn't argue it, when posters cried foul if a person brought up Darryl not being a Treliving hire. I mean, none of us could prove it but it seemed so obvious. The truth is slowly coming out on that, so we were right, but the opposition to it was borderline aggressive.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Good lord!!!
please lets not talk about Woodcroft any more.
he's oblivious, barely relevant.
He rides coat tails, he thinks he's the savior and talks like everyone is beneath him

the most annoying type of fool

A coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron who clearly and decisively outcoached "The Legend" in the 2nd round last season and has his team in the playoffs with similar points to Tampa and Colorado. I wish we had a coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron that could generate a second round playoff victory and have his team solidly in the playoff hunt.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron who clearly and decisively outcoached "The Legend" in the 2nd round last season and has his team in the playoffs with similar points to Tampa and Colorado. I wish we had a coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron that could generate a second round playoff victory and have his team solidly in the playoff hunt.

outcoached? the Flames got .875 SV% for the series - not sure any coach could survive that...and still if not for a blown no-goal call, who knows?

edit: correction .852 SV%

[Eric Vail]

I am not sure why it was a bad thing that Edwards hired Sutter. Treliving hired several bad coaches.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

A coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron who clearly and decisively outcoached "The Legend" in the 2nd round last season and has his team in the playoffs with similar points to Tampa and Colorado. I wish we had a coattail-riding-barely-relevant-moron that could generate a second round playoff victory and have his team solidly in the playoff hunt.

First off
I didn't call anyone a moron. your words not mine
secondly
Woodcroft is hardly the reason that they won in the second round. Markstrom plus the Hyman and Kane additions to that team had much more influence. The oilers had good coaches that didn't help them. a few additions to that team to improve their depth is the reason they have improved. Not Woodcroft.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

outcoached? the Flames got .875 SV% for the series - not sure any coach could survive that...and still if not for a blown no-goal call, who knows?

edit: correction .852 SV%

I do think there were some adjustments Sutter could have made.

He didn't line match the McDavid line once they combined him and Drai.

The man to man defense was not working against those two either.

And our aggressive pinching and forechecking system in the offensive zone was leading to us getting caught and giving up a ton of odd man rushes.

Goaltending wasn't good either, but I do think there were some things Sutter could have done to try to slow down 97 and 29 and it didn't happen.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think there were some adjustments Sutter could have made.

He didn't line match the McDavid line once they combined him and Drai.

The man to man defense was not working against those two either.

And our aggressive pinching and forechecking system in the offensive zone was leading to us getting caught and giving up a ton of odd man rushes.

Goaltending wasn't good either, but I do think there were some things Sutter could have done to try to slow down 97 and 29 and it didn't happen.

fair point and not putting in Vlader is on Sutter too but to say Woodcroft is a good (or better) coach? not sure about that.

[fotze2]

I am and still pro Sutter for what he has done and the career he has, but he is dunzo. I could be wrong and the players we have assembled are just rotten folks...but unfortunately we have hitched our wagon to them...and that wagon cannot be unhitched for a (way too) long time.

I know a guy who played for Sutter, respects his brain but he is a massively sarcastic person who is very intelligent so what he says is deeply cutting. We don't even know the back story of what small comments come out. Rhetter (another player who is his prototypical player and thrived under him) just loves him, he stays at Sutter's place at his kids hockey tournies in Viking. If he is talking ####, there is smoke.

Why is this work place any different from anywhere else? Add three zeros to everyone's salary and it is the same, except everyone has massive mobility options and value, top of their profession, so you have choices, unlike you or I, even if you signed a contract.

Your whole life, you have been the best and told as such (Sutter included). If anyone looks like they hsve quit or are mailing it in, it looks like Sutter.

But I think the players, coach of the day, Treliving is just hand wringing. Its the owner. He absolutely takes pride for never laying anyone off. Which sounds pretty altruistic. They make you so miserable that you quit. That's how he runs his business. He is ruthless and petty. You invest in Murray Edwards, you do not work for him, unless you are a mindless soldier.

Works great for an Oil company where employees are paid orders of magnitude less than their boss, but not in the NHL apparently.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Rob Kerr on the After Burner said that Murray Edwards hired Darryl Sutter, not Treliving.
Kerr said he knows this for a fact.
They were about to acquire Zucker, but they needed Edwards' permission, and Edwards wasn't available. Boomer said that this has happened many times.

I had heard rumors of these things, but I didn't know they were conclusive.

It's not that surprising that Darryl was an Edwards hire as Darryl has always been his guy. It's why many of us surmised it was the case. As a fan I can't complain about an owner like Edwards that pays the bills and stays out of headlines however it sure seems like the organization would be in a much better place if he was hands off.