getting a little tired of the crack/meth heads

[you&me]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yeah, painting literally every anti-social behavioral problem with "mental illness" really only serves to cut violent offenders a break while simultaneously stigmatizing people with actual mental illnesses.

Maybe we need to just start calling people #######s, when they're acting like #######s.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yeah, painting literally every anti-social behavioral problem with "mental illness" really only serves to cut violent offenders a break while simultaneously stigmatizing people with actual mental illnesses.

In fairness, while that's true, it's also the case - or at least I've always been led to believe so, and it makes sense - that there's a significant overlap between mental health issues, homelessness, and drug abuse, so it's not like it's a totally off-base assumption in the circumstances. I'd be lying if I didn't say I immediately assumed the same.

[STAMPEDRED]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'm just going to stop you there to remind you that no one gives two sh-ts about the f--king Trucker Convoy clowns and to take it to its own thread. This isn't the thread for it.

Keep your head in the sand - it’s your choice.

The point is comparison. It’s a very valid comparison. One side is locked up for a long time, the other is released shortly afterwards. Who was the threat to society? Who was the one doing the random stabbing of innocent people just going about their day in downtown Calgary?

And you think the truckers who got no bail deserve all that - your fallacy of choice - yet can’t for the life of you see who the true threat is? Which one should have not been re-released to society? Right there shows the double standard - pretentiousness - of our so-called ‘justice’ system. It’s by and large a massive farce.

[timun]

Which trucker convoyers got no bail?

[Fuzz]

STAMPEDRED needs to do their research on real news sites, they doesn't seem to understand what actually took place. You can't have a discussion with someone that doesn't know facts. While they do that, lets move on and never speak of it again.

[PsYcNeT]

Why ya'll in here arguing with a guy whose Facebook profile pic is 99% likely a fat, goateed boomer in a truck wearing wraparound shades.

[PsYcNeT]

Also rather than belabor the post I already made in the AB thread, someone needs to put up or shut up about the supposed increase in Violent Crime we're seeing, because the statistics don't back up your claims.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by 81MC

‘Mental health issues’ can explain a hell of a lot of behaviour. I feel like it’s awfully close to being used to excuse a hell of a lot of behaviour as well, which is not a good way to be.

Totally agree with this. But, based on what the victim said, this is more than just anti-social behaviour. "Ive disappeared"? I can only assume this is a bit more than just explaining it away

Completely basing an issue on mental health issues is wrong; but also, explaining it away or saying these people need to be locked up and throw the key away, without addressing some of the mental health issues, doesnt do anything to prevent these things from happening in the future.

[you&me]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Also rather than belabor the post I already made in the AB thread, someone needs to put up or shut up about the supposed increase in Violent Crime we're seeing, because the statistics don't back up your claims.

Based on the stats you posted in the AB thread, violent crime incidents are up 700 cases, even if that's a reduction on an overall per capita basis.

But stats don't always tell the whole story... And what those stats don't tell you (but the news seems to want to) is if even 1% of those new cases - 7 - are completely random acts in broad daylight, during a spree across downtown, people are going to feel differently.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by you&me

Based on the stats you posted in the AB thread, violent crime incidents are up 700 cases, even if that's a reduction on an overall per capita basis.

But stats don't always tell the whole story... And what those stats don't tell you (but the news seems to want to) is if even 1% of those new cases - 7 - are completely random acts in broad daylight, during a spree across downtown, people are going to feel differently.

Stats always tell the whole story; the story people are trying to formulate is one based off of fear rather than data.

People love to assign narratives to numbers, but that doesn't make the narrative fact.

[powderjunkie]

I'm in favour of an 'Exile Island' plan, but I think there are major challenges with some of the simplest logistics, like staffing. Perhaps the answer is as simple as obscene salaries to attract quality people, but I think it would be tough build-in sufficient checks/balances to prevent people in positions of authority from exploiting their wards.

There are a lot of good hearted people in this world that want it to be a better place, but I don't know that enough people are there to dedicate their entire careers to this kind of work? I think you'd inevitably end up with a significant number of staff there for the wrong reasons; every system design to mitigate this leads it closer and closer to a max. security prison (but maybe that's okay).

I still think this 'last resort' is better than the status quo, but it's definitely not as simple as building a nice secure facility with tiered housing and all the necessary infrastructure...the actually human 'resources' to make it run are much easier said than done.

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Portugal has demonstrated pretty much one of the only solutions to this complex problem worldwide.

There is a solution in a society, full of human beings, for a substantially similar (if not the same) problem.

We look at that solution and then make up excuses as to why it wouldn't work here.

So Canadian. So unbelievably stupid.

I'm also all-in on Portugal model, but my question is how many other jurisdictions have tried it, and what have their success rates been? It certainly seems Canada is not the only place to not just hit the big green/red 'Portugal Model' button...

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Stats always tell the whole story; the story people are trying to formulate is one based off of fear rather than data.

People love to assign narratives to numbers, but that doesn't make the narrative fact.

Stats can be manipulated quite easily to achieve the desired outcome. Don’t be silly.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Stats can be manipulated quite easily to achieve the desired outcome. Don’t be silly.

What’s being manipulated? People fretting over being talked to by a homeless person or drug addict isn’t a violent crime, even if it might seem like it in their head.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

Stats can be manipulated quite easily to achieve the desired outcome. Don’t be silly.

You literally reiterated what I said.

The succinct fact is, per capita violent crime has gone down by -2.5% in Calgary between 2018-2022.

Stating anything else is manipulation/creating a narrative.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

You literally reiterated what I said.

The succinct fact is, per capita violent crime has gone down by -2.5% in Calgary between 2018-2022.

Stating anything else is manipulation/creating a narrative.

Technically that would then be an increase.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Technically that would then be an increase.

You're really gonna make me edit that aren't you

[blankall]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

You literally reiterated what I said.

The succinct fact is, per capita violent crime has gone down by -2.5% in Calgary between 2018-2022.

Stating anything else is manipulation/creating a narrative.

Except when it's not:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...-levels-police

“However, the severity of that crime has worsened, led by assaults involving weapons and bodily harm, as well as personal robberies,” Boyd said.

“Weapon-related offences have been increasing and, in 2022, we’re on track to set a record for incidents involving weapons. The most common weapon that we’re seeing is edged weapons, typically knives.”

Police stats indicate the growing levels of violent crime are taking place citywide, with rates of increase slightly lower in the downtown.

One area where crime rates eclipse pre-pandemic highs is shootings; by the end of May, there had been 62 shootings in Calgary, compared to an average of 35 by this time over the previous five years.

It's pretty easy to lump a bunch of different types of crime into one heading and then state the rate is either going up or down.

The fact is that there are more stabbings and shootings in Calgary lately.

[btimbit]

Knife crime specifically is definitely up. We're told at work now to just assume everyone downtown has a blade on them

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Knife crime specifically is definitely up. We're told at work now to just assume everyone downtown has a blade on them

Well if you are just going to assume it, I may as well get a blade. Know any nice sheaths that mount to a bike?

[blankall]

Stating that violent crimes are down 2.5% from 2018 also ignores the massive jump in violent crimes between 2013 and 2017:

https://regionaldashboard.alberta.ca...m=1998&to=2017

2013: 8099
2017: 11704

Starting in around 2013, something's definitely been happening, and it's not just isolate to Calgary.