Overreacting would also be defending the people booing by coming up saying they were chanting in defiance of terrorism.
Have you been to Turkey? They are by far the most friendly
Country I've ever been in. They are extremely anti-terrorism and are very laid back and a democracy.
You obviously know nothing about Turkey so please educate yourself along with the others who don't know the first thing about Turkey. They are a very peaceful country.
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Have you been to Turkey? They are by far the most friendly
Country I've ever been in. They are extremely anti-terrorism and are very laid back and a democracy.
You obviously know nothing about Turkey so please educate yourself along with the others who don't know the first thing about Turkey. They are a very peaceful country.
Must I go to Turkey to deduce that booing sitting a moment of silence wasn't done in defiance of the acts?
Seriously. I didn't say anything disparaging and yet people want to come to someone's defence here. I would bet the vast majority of the people there didn't appreciate the booing and thought the acts were abhorrent. But FFS, call a fricken spade a spade here. Jesus
First it's denouncing terrorism to boo during the moment of silence, now it must be because they're friendly?
Turkey does hate the heck out of the Greeks and the Kurds though. So game v. Greece is gonna get the emotions high, and ISIS and the Kurds are going toe-to-toe, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was some "enemy of my enemy is my friend" feeling towards ISIS in Turkey.
A moment of silence isn't interpreted the same all over the world.
Seriously, Turkey is currently attacking ISIS right now with their people overwhelmingly supporting it. And we are supposed to believe they're trying to show disrespect to the victims?
A moment of silence isn't interpreted the same all over the world.
Seriously, Turkey is currently attacking ISIS right now with their people overwhelmingly supporting it. And we are supposed to believe they're trying to show disrespect to the victims?
The people booing yes. Not the majority of Turkey, not the government of Turkey. Are you honestly suggesting that the people booing were honouring them?
We need to stop painting with broad brushes in both directions as it's disingenuous either way. This act says nothing about the people of Turkey workout knowing how many feel that way. It is however, a clear show of disrespect by some in the crowd no matter how much you want to defend them.
These two things are totally possible:
1. The overwhelming majority of Turks do not support terrorism and in fact the moment of silence suggests this
2. Some in the crowd did not feel that way
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The people booing yes. Not the majority of Turkey, not the government of Turkey. Are you honestly suggesting that the people booing were honouring them?
We need to stop painting with broad brushes in both directions as it's disingenuous either way. This act says nothing about the people of Turkey workout knowing how many feel that way. It is however, a clear show of disrespect by some in the crowd no matter how much you want to defend them.
These two things are totally possible:
1. The overwhelming majority of Turks do not support terrorism and in fact the moment of silence suggests this
2. Some in the crowd did not feel that way
Great, so you're on the same page as most posters in here. All the happened is Polak went off the deep end made a comment about carpet bombing the whole region, driveway came in with an article explaining that it might not be as bad as it seems, then you went on a quest to bridge the gap and get everyone to a consensus that wasn't needed, as "both sides" weren't being disingenuous.
One "side" made a horrible comment and the other "side" is everyone else just rationally discussing the incident.
Great, so you're on the same page as most posters in here. All the happened is Polak went off the deep end made a comment about carpet bombing the whole region, driveway came in with an article explaining that it might not be as bad as it seems, then you went on a quest to bridge the gap and get everyone to a consensus that wasn't needed, as "both sides" weren't being disingenuous.
One "side" made a horrible comment and the other "side" is everyone else just rationally discussing the incident.
Yes. It all started simply by my responding to the ridiculous notion that the people were booing and chanting to protest terrorism. I made no other assertions anywhere
Like I mentioned earlier in this thread, there's a new trend where these terrorists are more behaving in a more gang-like manner than as a group that has religious/political motivations.
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"Two weeks ago, the mayor of Molenbeek ordered the closing of a neighborhood bar where the Brussels police had found young men dealing drugs and smoking dope over the summer.
Last Friday, the owner blew himself up at another laid-back corner cafe, this time in Paris, on a mission of retribution from the Islamic State.
"There is a seeming disconnect between the ownership by Muslims — whose religion forbids the use of alcohol and tobacco — of a bar, where drugs were being dealt, on a quiet street in the low-rent Brussels borough of Molenbeek that has become the focus of a manhunt for violent Islamists with ties to Syria"
"They smoked. They didn't go to the mosque or anything. We saw them every day at the cafe," he said"
Furthermore, the article points out that during a moment of silence in Turkey for those very Ankara bombings, fans also chimed in by booing. The point being, fans there rarely sit through moments of silence quietly, and the boos of yesterday weren’t necessarily any more callous or mean-spirited than usual.
That is not the point. Far from it. That they booed during the moment of silence for the Ankara bombings was because the victims were attending a pro Kurdish peace rally (they were chanting anti Kurdish slogans).
BS excuse to say ... oh look, they do it all the time therefore it's no big deal. And they could care less that there was no minute of silence across Europe for a bunch of dead Kurdish sympathisers so that excuse doesn't wash also.
Weak attempt at excusing them (the article).
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The suspected ringleader of the Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, has been identified as one of those killed in a raid in Saint Denis, the Paris prosecutor says.
His body was found riddled with bullets and shrapnel in an apartment in the northern Paris suburb on Wednesday. The Belgian national, 27, was identified from his fingerprints.
Eight people were arrested and at least two killed in the raid on the property in Saint Denis. Heavily armed police stormed the building after a tip-off that Abaaoud was in Paris.
Soccer ultras being violent racist A-holes isn't exactly news unfortunately. So even if they were deliberately being hateful A-holes, it's quite unfair to consider them in any way representative of the general population. In many countries the ultras and the far right elements are pretty much the same thing. (During the Yugoslavian war some local ultras actually formed militias that conducted that some of the worst atrocities.)
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Seriously, Turkey is currently attacking ISIS right now with their people overwhelmingly supporting it. And we are supposed to believe they're trying to show disrespect to the victims?
Not true actually. Turkey is the main supporter of ISIS at the moment, protecting their areas and support lines, buying their oil, selling them weapons and bombing their enemies.
This is of course not the official version of what's going on, but it's starting to be pretty well known, at least outside of Turkey.
The Guardian for example wrote about it recently. (I posted this in the general ISIS thread yesterday.)
Soccer ultras being violent racist A-holes isn't exactly news unfortunately. So even if they were deliberately being hateful A-holes, it's quite unfair to consider them in any way representative of the general population. In many countries the ultras and the far right elements are pretty much the same thing. (During the Yugoslavian war some local ultras actually formed militias that conducted that some of the worst atrocities.)
I was going to say this. I've seen videos of soccer fans giving sieg heils to Jewish players and throwing bananas at black players.
Here's a story about Belgium fans shouting "Fukushima Fukushima" at one of their own players, who was Japanese:
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