2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are we actually disappointed with Granlund's progress as a 2nd round pick?

I mean, he's a 22 year old centre who is capable of playing in the NHL. He's not stellar in anyway, but he has certainly shown that he can make a career in this league.

What are you guys expecting out of a 2nd round pick? Maybe he doesn't fit the needs of this team, but I'd have to think Granlund has progressed far more than the average.

No, I'm not disappointed with his progress, but it's not quite that simple.

As much offensive promise as he's shown at times in his 55 NHL games so far, it is too early to say whether Markus is truly capable of making a career in this league. His AHL time also suggests he could become that valuable (or perhaps even more) down the road, but there's not enough sample size yet to convince me that this is really the case.

Early signs show promise that he could be on that track but it's too early to make that big of a leap and say he's worth more than a 2nd rounder right now.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Karl

No, I'm not disappointed with his progress, but it's not quite that simple.

As much offensive promise as he's shown at times in his 55 NHL games so far, it is too early to say whether Markus is truly capable of making a career in this league. His AHL time also suggests he could become that valuable (or perhaps even more) down the road, but there's not enough sample size yet in the NHL to convince me that is the case.

Early signs show promise that he could be on that track but it's too early to make that big of a leap and say he's worth more than a 2nd rounder right now.

And I believe that Granlund has a higher probability of reaching that point than the average 2nd round pick. I guess it's a matter of opinion.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Are we actually disappointed with Granlund's progress as a 2nd round pick?

I mean, he's a 22 year old centre who is capable of playing in the NHL. He's not stellar in anyway, but he has certainly shown that he can make a career in this league.

What are you guys expecting out of a 2nd round pick? Maybe he doesn't fit the needs of this team, but I'd have to think Granlund has progressed far more than the average.

Granlund is Backlund 2.0 at this stage but younger. Makes him redundant! I love his play, but too many of the same player.

Not stellar in anyway? I think Granlund is a damn fine hockey player. 3rd line floor. Selling a 22 year old prospect short! I want the guy to move to wing, he is such a mature prospect defensively. Has a lot of offense to his game too.

Sorry, we write off prospects too soon around here. Yet I do admit Granlund is redundant here. He is an asset we should trade. Not cause I don't like him, we will never use him to his fullest potential.

Why? Depth at center. For over a decade we had no centers. Now we have ten! Funny how weakness can be come a strength so soon!

[thefoss1957]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Roussel would be a good replacement if Bickell gets traded.

Roussel is a dirtbag of the highest degree! His main skill is as a cheap-shot artist!

[sureLoss]

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: Teams talked to #Bruins about potential of Hamilton trade. "I'd be surprised if #Oilers aren't in on that."

[Poe969]

If Hamilton is available (or the B's are forced into making him available), I'm guessing 29 teams will be in on that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: Teams talked to #Bruins about potential of Hamilton trade. "I'd be surprised if #Oilers aren't in on that."

You would think the Bruins would exhaust every opportunity to trade any of the older players off their roster before moving Hamilton. Trading Hamilton seems like a sure fire way for them to emulate Sutter's Flames as a team that's going to finish a spot or two out of the playoffs every season as they slowly and painfully decline.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And I believe that Granlund has a higher probability of reaching that point than the average 2nd round pick. I guess it's a matter of opinion.

The average 2nd rounder doesn't even make the league...so I agree whole heartedly with ...Granlund is already a successful pick.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

And I believe that Granlund has a higher probability of reaching that point than the average 2nd round pick. I guess it's a matter of opinion.

It doesn't work like that though. A second round pick has potential to be more, you can't use the average. It average is what counts, then they'd be tossed around everywhere. Late 1sts aren't great on average so they'd be tossed in for depth players.

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Can't see the Yotes taking that deal if New Jersey offers Cammalleri for the 3rd pick.

^^But when would that trade need to happen to make sense?

[Red Menace]

By any measure you want to use, Granlund is an above average 2nd rd pick.
Will he become a star like a few other 2nd rounders have? probably not....

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It doesn't work like that though. A second round pick has potential to be more, you can't use the average. It average is what counts, then they'd be tossed around everywhere. Late 1sts aren't great on average so they'd be tossed in for depth players.

Yes, I understand that.

You prefer to have another bullet. I get it, but I think that's flawed logic. You prefer the potential upside.

Problem is that it's more likely the pick is a complete whiff than to become better than Granlund. Markus is an above average 2nd round pick. By definition, the odds are against a 2nd rounder being better than Granlund.

I don't want Bozak at all, but if we were to trade for him, I'd rather give up one of our 2nd rounders (one is in the middle of the round, two are late) than Granlund.

[Jason14h]

It doesn't work like that though. A second round pick has potential to be more, you can't use the average. It average is what counts, then they'd be tossed around everywhere. Late 1sts aren't great on average so they'd be tossed in for depth players.

The odds of a mid to late 2nd round pick playing 100 NHL games is between 25-30%

And despite what people believe, very few actual stars come from these picks.

2nd rounders are thrown around. 13 2nd round picks have been traded this season! As well as 5/7 last picks in round 1!!!

So of the late 1st and 2nd rounds, 18/37, or 48% were traded this season.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=771374

[sureLoss]

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Rangers are allowing clubs to speak with Talbot's agent to gauge feelings about city...cannot extend until Jan, so no $ talk.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Rangers are allowing clubs to speak with Talbot's agent to gauge feelings about city...cannot extend until Jan, so no $ talk.

Why can't he sign an extension in July? Seems like every other pending UFA is able to do that.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
Told that Rangers are allowing clubs to speak with Talbot's agent to gauge feelings about city...cannot extend until Jan, so no $ talk.

So, five minutes from now we can expect to see tweets that the Oilers are out on Talbot.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by codynw

Why can't he sign an extension in July? Seems like every other pending UFA is able to do that.

He's on a one-year contract for next season. Those can't be extended until after January 1.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by getbak

So, five minutes from now we can expect to see tweets that the Oilers are out on Talbot.

That's not even enough time to watch the DVD!

[Incogneto]

The more I think about it, the more I would be ok with Dubnyk at $5M. We are already paying hiller $4.5M, so it would be only a $500K bump on the cap (assuming we would dumb Jonas if Dubnyk was signed). It would also bridge the 2-4 year gap until Gillies/McDonald were ready.

...The question is....Are there any thoughts in the organization that Ortio could be the starter? Or is he seen as the long term backup?

[sureLoss]

Stars not in on Patrick Sharp:
http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/2015...de-talks.html/