2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by fleury

Bozak for a second rounder is more or less equal value. If I'm a team interested in the guy I maybe push for a 3rd rounder instead in this type of year draft. Bozak is really good on faceoffs, and can occasionally score. Toronto media has sometimes (unfairly) jumped on him, but if you're putting him on your 3rd line, you got a really deep team. Toronto's often playing him on the 1st which he shouldn't be. Even on the 2nd line he's a decent fit. It wouldn't surprise me if Calgary, with the Burke connection, comes in to get him.

I wonder if they'd take a prospect or two instead of a pick.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

I wonder if they'd take a prospect or two instead of a pick.

We should throw in Hanowski.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I'd give up a 2nd for Bozak, especially since we have 3, but I don't see the need for him here, so I'd pass based on that and not the price.

Is he strictly a center? If so, it would be hard to find where to put him or who to move to the wing.

I have to admit, I haven't paid much attention to the Leafs over the part few years and was surprised to see how decent his output has been. Pretty consistent.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'd be tempted to give a 2nd for Bozak too. If that rumor is true I really wonder why he hasn't been dealt yet. Must not be true I suppose?

[Caged Great]

Would you trade Granlund + Sieloff for Bozak?

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would you trade Granlund + Sieloff for Bozak?

No.

Not sure I'd trade either for him straight up.

Not a bad player but not as good as his Toronto contract is?

I have faith both Seiloff and Granlund will have good NHL careers

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No.

Not sure I'd trade either for him straight up.

Not a bad player but not as good as his Toronto contract is?

I have faith both Seiloff and Granlund will have good NHL careers

Contract is a wash on the Flames really. In fact it helps them a bit. He's a 50 point guy on the Leafs. Put him on the RW with Bennett and watch what happens. I think he'd be a good guy to help Bennett learn faceoffs and can do that working on the same line with him.

As far as prospects go, Reinhart and a winger. Nothing too flashy but the Leafs could use Reinhart and Reinhart could probably use a change of scenery.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No.

Not sure I'd trade either for him straight up.

Not a bad player but not as good as his Toronto contract is?

I have faith both Seiloff and Granlund will have good NHL careers

You really think Seiloff will have an NHL career? I liked when we drafted him, fully admit that. Yet so far I see no upside or chance of him cracking the roster. I want to be wrong.

As for Granlund? I can easily see him having an NHL career just not with the Flames. Unless Backlund is traded and I don't see that happening after the new contract. I really like Granlund and he does have offensive upside. He wont be a center for this team and the wings are pretty full as is.

As for Bozak? I just don't want to trade with the leafs ever!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Would you trade Granlund + Sieloff for Bozak?

Absolutely.

[Ashasx]

Shouldn't Granlund be worth more than a 2nd rounder?

[browna]

Very few Leafs are worth the trouble. Overhyped, then overly blamed, and its hard to separate the opinions of each player and the team as a collective, when they or it are praised way too much on a 3 game winning streak, and then blasted as the worst player/team in the league when they lose 3 straight.

Far too much analysis as a fan just to figure out who is who on that team, and who is to blame, and who is a legit guy that just needs a change of scenery. Sure, Bozak may be a good faceoff guy...but what else? Look at Clarkson, and Versteeg, Colby Armstrong etc and other guys they've overpaid and overhyped as some final peice. Bottom line, it's hard as a fan to sift through the BS and hype that players get with so many "experts" in TO who talk about players, each having various opinions of a player, not necessarily because they believe it, but because they have to have a different opinion then a competitor within the media.

As for goaltending, as Treliving said, a bunch of options looking at.
I disagree with the notion of average goaltending this past year; they had the two goalies system perfectly set up.

Both are 1b) guys, but most importantly, had the right mental attitude for a couple weeks at a time, and played real well. After a bad game and a half or two (and remember, a bad game was often when the 1st line didn't get much going, never mind the 3 forward lines below them, not necessarily their performance) the other guy stepped in and played at a high level right away for his stretch.

Not that many experienced goalies can/want to deal with that situation; they want to be starters, and if not starting, sulk enough for either the coach to avoid putting them in (Miller), or they play like crap when getting called upon and then again lose confidence in themselves and by the coach (Miller again).

Goaltending this year on the Flames IMO was underrated, because of the fantastic 1st line, and the remarkable offensive prowess from the defense, and the multiple comebacks took the limelight off them.

Clearly the Flames are going in another direction, but trying to find that "home run" of a goalie is virtually impossible given the nature of the position and of the guys getting pumped up by TSN/the media through their agents and by the teams trying to dump them.

Talbot earned his from playing a prolonged stretch with Lundquist and the team didn't fall apart. Lenher or Anderson from Ottawa thrown out on the street simply because of a 30 game wonder streak.

Would anyone here have wanted Dubnyk at any point the last 4 years prior to Minnesota? Now he's going to cash in.

Sure, ok, maybe a strong starter and let Ortio backup, but Ortio could be the #1 guy by Christmas, who knows. Look at a guy like Miller in Vancouver and his sudden fall.

Point is, pinning hopes that you're going to get the next Kiprusoff out of one of the available guys is a real stretch. Even one of these guys as a clear cut #1 guy is reaching.

If the assumption is Ramo and or Hiller want out, then fine, rejig the plan..but the two goalie system has its merits, and if this Flames team had a second line this past year that was NHL average as far as scoring, there would've been less need for comebacks and the goalie stats (for both of them) would've been a tonne better and the Flames would've been pushing up the standings, not getting in the second last game.

[OILFAN #81]

They are asking a 2nd for Bozak? Interesting. Now I know McDavid's
value!

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Icon

I still wonder if Skinner would thrive with any change of scenery.

Skinner would thrive if he went back in time and didn't get any concussions.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Shouldn't Granlund be worth more than a 2nd rounder?

Based on what?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Shouldn't Granlund be worth more than a 2nd rounder?

In what world?

[sureLoss]

I believe Eklund was one of the first to put this out there, but what if Drouin is the young player that the Coyotes were being offered for 3rd OA? With the speculated tension between Drouin and Yzerman it could make sense if Drouin wants out.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by browna

Very few Leafs are worth the trouble. Overhyped, then overly blamed, and its hard to separate the opinions of each player and the team as a collective, when they or it are praised way too much on a 3 game winning streak, and then blasted as the worst player/team in the league when they lose 3 straight.

Far too much analysis as a fan just to figure out who is who on that team, and who is to blame, and who is a legit guy that just needs a change of scenery. Sure, Bozak may be a good faceoff guy...but what else? Look at Clarkson, and Versteeg, Colby Armstrong etc and other guys they've overpaid and overhyped as some final peice. Bottom line, it's hard as a fan to sift through the BS and hype that players get with so many "experts" in TO who talk about players, each having various opinions of a player, not necessarily because they believe it, but because they have to have a different opinion then a competitor within the media.

As for goaltending, as Treliving said, a bunch of options looking at.
I disagree with the notion of average goaltending this past year; they had the two goalies system perfectly set up.

Both are 1b) guys, but most importantly, had the right mental attitude for a couple weeks at a time, and played real well. After a bad game and a half or two (and remember, a bad game was often when the 1st line didn't get much going, never mind the 3 forward lines below them, not necessarily their performance) the other guy stepped in and played at a high level right away for his stretch.

Not that many experienced goalies can/want to deal with that situation; they want to be starters, and if not starting, sulk enough for either the coach to avoid putting them in (Miller), or they play like crap when getting called upon and then again lose confidence in themselves and by the coach (Miller again).

Goaltending this year on the Flames IMO was underrated, because of the fantastic 1st line, and the remarkable offensive prowess from the defense, and the multiple comebacks took the limelight off them.

Clearly the Flames are going in another direction, but trying to find that "home run" of a goalie is virtually impossible given the nature of the position and of the guys getting pumped up by TSN/the media through their agents and by the teams trying to dump them.

Talbot earned his from playing a prolonged stretch with Lundquist and the team didn't fall apart. Lenher or Anderson from Ottawa thrown out on the street simply because of a 30 game wonder streak.

Would anyone here have wanted Dubnyk at any point the last 4 years prior to Minnesota? Now he's going to cash in.

Sure, ok, maybe a strong starter and let Ortio backup, but Ortio could be the #1 guy by Christmas, who knows. Look at a guy like Miller in Vancouver and his sudden fall.

Point is, pinning hopes that you're going to get the next Kiprusoff out of one of the available guys is a real stretch. Even one of these guys as a clear cut #1 guy is reaching.

If the assumption is Ramo and or Hiller want out, then fine, rejig the plan..but the two goalie system has its merits, and if this Flames team had a second line this past year that was NHL average as far as scoring, there would've been less need for comebacks and the goalie stats (for both of them) would've been a tonne better and the Flames would've been pushing up the standings, not getting in the second last game.

Only reason I can see us looking for another goalie is that Hiller wants out. Didn't like how he was used etc. I am just guessing here. Yet I also want to say Hiller is in a perfect spot right now. His competition was Ramo, who is gone now. His competition now is a young AHL goalie in Ortio.

Not much competition really. We want and need an NHL proven goalie. Hiller is our man. Unless he does not think he can beat out Ortio! If that is the case great. I want Ortio to succeed and take the reigns, but to be honest I see him as a minor upgrade on Ramo and Hiller. Yet very unproven!

Goalies are so fickle. You never know what you are getting. Watch CP go ballistic when we draft Samsanov in the first round lol! Probably the BPA to be honest, yet I never draft a goalie in the first round lol! Yet also the most important position on the team.

Why am I even posting about goalies? I don't even own a Ouija board! I don't talk to the spirit world.

Drafting goalies and the science of drafting never work! You can pick a goalie in the first round that wins the vezina for three years, or pick a guy in the 7th round that does the same thing.

Trading for goalies? I have no issues, just don't give up an arm and a leg when you do it. Oilers have been looking for goalies for years. To be fair Carey Price on the Oilers would of sucked too.

If you have competent goaltending be happy. On a team picked to finish last or second last this past year? The Flames had great goaltending. We lost some game cause of goaltending but won a few because of goaltending.

Sorry, I am talking out of my ass. I know nothing when it comes to goalies. I know more about dark matter and black holes in the universe than goalies!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Karl

Based on what?

Are we actually disappointed with Granlund's progress as a 2nd round pick?

I mean, he's a 22 year old centre who is capable of playing in the NHL. He's not stellar in anyway, but he has certainly shown that he can make a career in this league.

What are you guys expecting out of a 2nd round pick? Maybe he doesn't fit the needs of this team, but I'd have to think Granlund has progressed far more than the average.

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I believe Eklund was one of the first to put this out there, but what if Drouin is the young player that the Coyotes were being offered for 3rd OA? With the speculated tension between Drouin and Yzerman it could make sense if Drouin wants out.

Can't see the Yotes taking that deal if New Jersey offers Cammalleri for the 3rd pick.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I believe Eklund was one of the first to put this out there, but what if Drouin is the young player that the Coyotes were being offered for 3rd OA? With the speculated tension between Drouin and Yzerman it could make sense if Drouin wants out.

I just dont think you take Drouin over Strome. In my eyes it would have to be Drouin +.