Maybe it's because I still see the case for what it is, a kid is dead because of someone else's decision to shoot a bullet into him. Seems like everyone else here has all of a sudden become an expert in US law, and why the above is not murder or manslaughter.
Most of us here are capable of reading and applying critical thinking, yes...
An expert, no. But I can read the definitions of murder or manslaughter, and apply the evidence shown from the trial to those definitions.
After investigating for 44 days, local law enforcement decided not to prosecute, concluding that Zimmerman had legitimate grounds for a justifiable homicide defense. Even now, former prosecutor Christopher Darden says he never would have brought the Zimmerman case to court: “There was a high burden of proof giving way to reasonable doubt.”
Let me ask you this, if Z was not out that night, armed, looking for people he was worried about, would TM been killed that night?
Wait a second Duffman, you claimed the investigation was basically a sham,which was not true. The investigation was completed and there has been nothing to suggest otherwise. Your above quote is out of left field and has nothing to do with your claim of unprofessional investigators which you oddly refuse to give up.
It's like the news media decides to occasionally latch onto one of these things as a major info-tainment event.
"Because" would have been a better word than "like" to use.
You can just picture the conversation when the intern found the story.
"Hey boss, a black teen has been shot by an adult male pleading self-defense"
"So?"
"The man who shot him wasn't black."
"He was white? We've got ourselves a story!"
"Well he wasn't white either, he identifies himself as Hispanic"
"White Hispanic works for me, go have Frank edit the 911 call to make him seem like a racist. Everyone loves a racist story."
"Because" would have been a better word than "like" to use.
You can just picture the conversation when the intern found the story.
"Hey boss, a black teen has been shot by an adult male pleading self-defense"
"So?"
"The man who shot him wasn't black."
"He was white? We've got ourselves a story!"
"Well he wasn't white either, he identifies himself as Hispanic"
"White Hispanic works for me, go have Frank edit the 911 call to make him seem like a racist. Everyone loves a racist story."
Agreed. As usual, it was the media picking on the downtrodden white man, and when he didn't turn out to be lily-white, they persecuted him as though he was. This is the modern world, people.
Anyway, I see Zimmerman feels it was all part of "God's plan" that it turned out this way. Seems kind of strange to me that God's plan was for this little moron to get his ass kicked by a teenager and then shoot him in the chest, but they do say he works in mysterious ways.
I'm sure the people of Florida feel safer tonight, knowing that God has sent angels like George Zimmerman to protect them.
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Agreed. As usual, it was the media picking on the downtrodden white man, and when he didn't turn out to be lily-white, they persecuted him as though he was.
Is that what I said?...You're acting like the media wasn't caught manipulating the facts to perpetuate the racist storyline they wanted to sell. Keyword is sell, that's all the media gives a #### about now. The news isn't here to report the facts, they are here to sell a story to get viewers watching so they get more ad revenue. And everyone will agree a tragic situation that leaves a child dead just doesn't have that same star power as racist situation that leaves a child dead.
I really hope that the lawsuit will leave a big enough dent in the pockets of NBC to atleast cause pause the next time they want to manipulate a story to boost their ratings. But of course it wont.
Well meanwhile in LA the youth are "protesting" and beating up random people....
Stay classy, good to see that they rioted the justice for nicole simpson out there
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I thought Cali was suppose to be the land of the liberal progressive love not hate crowd?
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Wait a second Duffman, you claimed the investigation was basically a sham,which was not true. The investigation was completed and there has been nothing to suggest otherwise. Your above quote is out of left field and has nothing to do with your claim of unprofessional investigators which you oddly refuse to give up.
Actually, it is called diversion. I have only brought up the investigation (which you called unprofessional) and you ignored my points completely and your response was to ask the following unrelated and unprovable question:
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Let me ask you this, if Z was not out that night, armed, looking for people he was worried about, would TM been killed that night?
I don't mind answering, but please answer mine as well.
Is the question what would have happened if Z was unarmed? That only comes into play the moment Z reached for his weapon, which is somehow no longer there. TM would have continued beating him up. I doubt TM would have murdered Z, but I don't think that is a factor. All that matters at that point is Z was getting assaulted. With the gun Z is dead, without the gun we are unsure what happens.
If I change your question a bit to what happens if Z does not go out that night, then I think TM goes home.
I can also ask a simple question, what happens if TM does not attack Z and instead walks right into the house he was staying at? I think the police show up, TM explains what he was up to, and Z is satisfied he did his duty.
Now my last question: Do you still believe the investigation was unprofessional, and if so why?
There was almost no way this wasn't going to end up as an acquittal unless you had some big only happens in TV shows drama. I don't particularly think Zimmerman is some stand up guy who was just minding his own business; I think he was looking to cause trouble. There was always going to be reasonable doubt from the very simple point of view that you had two guys acting like asshats and there were no eye witnesses (unless I missed something it was all phone calls, and post event investigation/forensics). The whole phone calls and scream identification was ludicrous. If you aren't allowed the scientific evidence don't open up that can of worms.
I didn't follow this case closely (i.e., didn't watch one moment of the trial on television). The most interesting issue for me is the existence of these armed, untrained "neighbourhood watch" vigilante groups. As some have already pointed out, it is hard not to speculate that if Zimmerman had been home, watching television, and letting trained police officers fulfill their responsibility for policing his community for low-end property crimes, Martin would still be alive. I'm not arguing that this speculation makes Zimmerman guilty of murder or manslaughter, but it seems tragic to me.
Anyone have an idea of how common these are in the United States?
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I think one of the things people had trouble with is that both the prosecution and the defense have arguments based on theories. No one knows for sure what happened.
The difference is, you can't convict someone based on a theory; however, for a defense, you only need to prove reasonable doubt. In this judicial system, the defendant has a huge advantage (as they should). I still don't believe the defense theory, but I agree that it was a enough. It's just such a shame that we will never know Martin's side of the story.
Not guilty does not mean "innocent", and IMO, Zimmerman is not guilty in the legal sense, but not innocent either from a moral point of view. His decisions and behaviour are a huge problem and a major contributing factor on what happened.
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Jeantel further embarrassing herself on CNN right now claiming that "cracka" isn't used to describe white people by black people, but to describe people who act like cops.
Uh huh.
edit: lol. Wow. Now she was asked what Zimmerman meant by "these punks are always getting away with it". Morgan asked if he meant just any black or white thug and Jeantel said "lets be honest it was racial".
So cracker isn't racial, punks is. Gotcha.
Let's be honest, it was.
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This post and all the other ones just like it are ridiculous. I can't believe that everyone is so hung up on the guy being black. More specifically, I can't believe all you people who think that if he was white, Zimmerman would have thought nothing of him. BS. A teenager wandering around at night is a teenager wandering around at night. If you looked out your window and saw a couple teenagers loitering at the end of your driveway, you don't care whether they're black or white or green, they're teenagers hanging around, and that's enough for you to think that they're up to no good.
What a pile of crap this racism angle is. If anything, it's ageism. God it's pathetic reading all these opinions that just need for it to be racism. The f'n guy is brown himself! WTF?
Crucify him for for being an ageist killer, but just give it up with the racism.
Ah yes, spoken from in front of your computer in a city and country where thankfully race is a minor issue. Unfortunately that is not the case where this incident took place, not even close. It's hilarious how people who live in a completely different society in terms of race relations pretend as if they understand the role race plays on a day to day basis.
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