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TheIronMaiden · 02-04-2019, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think Maroon brings much more physicality than Boyle does.

While I agree that Physicality is something that would benefit the Flames bottom six, Maroons goal total is miserable. The only forwards on the Flames roster who has scored less than Maroon are Mangiapane and Czarnik. Boyle,however, would be top 6 on the Flames for scoring. I think that the trade off of Physicality for scoring is not equal. If the Flames really wanted to add physicality, they would only have to call up Peluso, and save their assets for another option.

GranteedEV · 02-04-2019, 11:36 AM

If Lindholm were about 25% slower, but about 50% better, you'd have Stone.

Numbers brought to you by arbitrary numbers out of a hat.

killer_carlson · 02-04-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

While I agree that Physicality is something that would benefit the Flames bottom six, Maroons goal total is miserable. The only forwards on the Flames roster who has scored less than Maroon are Mangiapane and Czarnik. Boyle,however, would be top 6 on the Flames for scoring. I think that the trade off of Physicality for scoring is not equal. If the Flames really wanted to add physicality, they would only have to call up Peluso, and save their assets for another option.

Peluso can't play on the third line.

Ferland, Simmons and Maroon can play up and down the lineup, but likely 3rd line for us.

the2bears · 02-04-2019, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David Struch

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...t-1230/1/97538

Do the Oilers have any chance at fitting Stone in with their current cap mess? I don't see how they can.

underGRADFlame · 02-04-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by the2bears

Do the Oilers have any chance at fitting Stone in with their current cap mess? I don't see how they can.

They trade Leon for him

TheIronMaiden · 02-04-2019, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Peluso can't play on the third line.

Ferland, Simmons and Maroon can play up and down the lineup, but likely 3rd line for us.

Ferland and Simmons could for sure, but they are not the players whose contributions I was comparing to Peluso.

Maroon's play this year wouldn't bump anyone out of the top 9, like I said, If he played on the Flames he would be the worst forward in terms of production, and that is because Mangiapane and Czarnik would be in the press box. Its not like the line he is on sucks either. Oskar Sundqvist is having a decent year.

The only thing that Maroon would bring is physicality, and in that case, he would be a Peluso who might score one or two more goals, and would cost a draft pick. Not worth it, the Flames would be better off trying to acquire someone else.

dissentowner · 02-04-2019, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the2bears

Do the Oilers have any chance at fitting Stone in with their current cap mess? I don't see how they can.

This. It is not happening. Nobody is taking on their bad contracts to do them a favour. Unless they seriously overpay to include Lucic in the deal who would have to waive his NMC to go to a rebuilding bottom feeder, good luck. They can't dump Russel because again, NMC. Dumping Talbot won't be enough. They have stated multiple times they are not trading RNH. So no, they can't do it.

Not to mention they would need to convince Stone to sign with them. Nope.

killer_carlson · 02-04-2019, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Ferland and Simmons could for sure, but they are not the players whose contributions I was comparing to Peluso.

Maroon's play this year wouldn't bump anyone out of the top 9, like I said, If he played on the Flames he would be the worst forward in terms of production, and that is because Mangiapane and Czarnik would be in the press box. Its not like the line he is on sucks either. Oskar Sundqvist is having a decent year.

The only thing that Maroon would bring is physicality, and in that case, he would be a Peluso who might score one or two more goals, and would cost a draft pick. Not worth it, the Flames would be better off trying to acquire someone else.

Fair point. Although I think Maroon would also have a "prove it" aspect to a playoff run. His NHL career may be over if he doesn't and I like that kind of motivation for a role player. With Maroon I would see him on the 4th line and displacing the 12th forward (Czarnik / Mangiapane / Hathaway) who I dont think add a lot at the current time.

memphusk · 02-04-2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Fair point. Although I think Maroon would also have a "prove it" aspect to a playoff run. His NHL career may be over if he doesn't and I like that kind of motivation for a role player. With Maroon I would see him on the 4th line and displacing the 12th forward (Czarnik / Mangiapane / Hathaway) who I dont think add a lot at the current time.

Maroon would be the second coming of Stewart.

GioforPM · 02-04-2019, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I wonder if VGK are going to keep Subban next offseason or are willing to move his contract. He's actually got decent numbers - take out the game Calgary humiliated their whole team and he'd have a .923 / 2.01 GAA over seven games - but as a team they sure are riding Fleury pretty hard.

25 years old, I'd be interested.

No, it was more than the Calgary game. He's had 4 great games and three terrible ones. He's plain old inconsistent and I'm not sure they trust him very much.

SuperMatt18 · 02-04-2019, 12:54 PM

Player 1:
ES Goals Per 60: 0.36
ES Shots Per 60: 6.28
Individual Shooting % (ES): 5.77%
On Ice Shooting % (ES): 7.48%
CF%: 51.5%
HDCF%: 58.0%
Hits/GP: 2.0
Fights: 3
Career Shooting %: 11.3%

Player 2:
ES Goals Per 60: 0.94
ES Shots Per 60: 7.29
Individual Shooting % (ES): 12.94%
On Ice Shooting % (ES): 8.83%
CF%: 49.8%
HDCF% 53.1%
Hits/GP: 1.8
Fights: 1
Career Shooting %: 13.3%

So Player A has the better advanced stats, is more physical, has more fights, but is shooting about half of his career shooting percentage.

Player B is more productive from a goals perspective, and averages about 1 shot more per 60 minutes, but is not as good at driving play and is shooting at his career norm.

Player A likely costs you a mid-round pick, and carries a $1.75M cap hit.

Player B is going to cost you a first, and carries a $4M cap hit.

Player A is Pat Maroon.

Player B is Wayne Simmonds.

Honestly if I'm Brad Treliving I'd be calling St.Louis and offering a 3rd right now for Maroon as a buy low candidate. Much better move than buying high for Simmonds. Fills the exact same need, at a much cheaper cost, and leaves assets and cap room to help fill another hole.

Could do a lot worse than Maroon for bottom 6 depth and would be a much better pick up than Stewart was.

Bar-Down · 02-04-2019, 01:00 PM

To Flames:
Mark Stone (unsigned)

To Sens:
2019 First
Michael Frolik
Dillon Dube

Does that get it done?

Manhattanboy · 02-04-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar-Down

To Flames:
Mark Stone (unsigned)

To Sens:
2019 First
Michael Frolik
Dillon Dube

Does that get it done?

Do it Tre. Do it now.

GioforPM · 02-04-2019, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Do it Tre. Do it now.

Conditional first, like with E. Kane.

But I suspect Calgary gets outbid by teams with a lot more need.

oldschoolcalgary · 02-04-2019, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar-Down

To Flames:
Mark Stone (unsigned)

To Sens:
2019 First
Michael Frolik
Dillon Dube

Does that get it done?

doubt it..

a first and two prospects is the way these things typically start...and with the flames more likely than not being mid to late 20s pick it makes it more likely the sens want more.

Buck Murdock · 02-04-2019, 01:10 PM

What do you think of Jacob Voracek?

VladtheImpaler · 02-04-2019, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

What do you think of Jacob Voracek?

Overpaid floater.

Toonage · 02-04-2019, 01:10 PM

Spectacularly overpriced for the next 5 years. $8M +.

theslymonkey · 02-04-2019, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

What do you think of Jacob Voracek?

He's overpaid.
But he carrys his own line without a problem.
Puts up impressive numbers.
Big and tough to knock off the puck.
Doesn't fit in the flames cap.
Doesn't fit with the current makeup of the flames.
He's what the Flames were hoping Neal would be.

Jiri Hrdina · 02-04-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bar-Down

To Flames:
Mark Stone (unsigned)

To Sens:
2019 First
Michael Frolik
Dillon Dube

Does that get it done?

Doubt it.
It is a late first, a prospect with limited ceiling and a vet who is probably now overpaid. At least that's how I would look at it if I was the Sens.

I think more like
2019 1st
Jankowski
Dube

I further imagine any trade talks with the Flames, involving good players, starts with teams asking for one of Valimaki, Andersson or Kylington. And they probably start with Juuso and then say they would settle for Kylington.

2019 1st
Kylington
Dube

Do people do that? Because I bet that's closer to what it will take.