Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Apples and Oranges.

If you can't understand that there's a pretty big difference between a government whistleblower leaking information to the media due to inner-agency stonewalling and whitewashing, and the prime minister of a country coyly revealing diplomatic dynamite during an ongoing murder investigation I don't know what to tell you.

Except that's not an honest comparison of the two situations, so you're going to have to figure out what to tell me.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

You'll forgive me if I don't believe everything Justin says, no matter how much certainty he claims to have.

No, I won't. When your country's sovereignty is attacked, this political tribalism and faux-incredulity is a waste of time.

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

He revealed this information in the midst of an ongoing investigation in the most public way possible, while withholding any additional context or information that would allow us to make a proper judgement.

Which is my point. He's not releasing this information if the current investigation hasn't indicated this is 100% what is happening. The remainder of the investigation is likely now the how, the who actually committed the act and the when. India's involvement is likely not in question with the information they have.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

No, I won't. When your country's sovereignty is attacked, this political tribalism and faux-incredulity is a waste of time.

Which is my point. He's not releasing this information if the current investigation hasn't indicated this is 100% what is happening. The remainder of the investigation is likely now the how, the who actually committed the act and the when. India's involvement is likely not in question with the information they have.

There's nothing faux about it. Diplomats are being expelled and trade deals are being cancelled. This is extremely serious and since Justin already let the cat out of the bag he needs to be more forthright with what he knows. The RCMP isn't saying anything other than the investigation is ongoing, so we don't know if they were privy to, or approved of, the information Justin released or not.

Who's to say that the RCMP had suspects under surveillance who have now gone underground due to this information being released publicly? Obviously I don't know if that's true or not, but its certainly a very good reason why most investigations keep things under wraps as much as possible.

I'm glad you still have such faith in our governments credibility to do the right thing, I certainly do not.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

There's nothing faux about it. Diplomats are being expelled and trade deals are being cancelled. This is extremely serious and since Justin already let the cat out of the bag he needs to be more forthright with what he knows. The RCMP isn't saying anything other than the investigation is ongoing, so we don't know if they were privy to, or approved of, the information Justin released or not.

I'm glad you still have such faith in our governments credibility to do the right thing, I certainly do not.

Sweet summer child. CSIS and the RCMP would be running separate investigations with elements that cross over and they share with each other. The information that Prime Minister Trudeau has released would not be from the RCMP investigation.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

There's nothing faux about it. Diplomats are being expelled and trade deals are being cancelled. This is extremely serious and since Justin already let the cat out of the bag he needs to be more forthright with what he knows. The RCMP isn't saying anything other than the investigation is ongoing, so we don't know if they were privy to, or approved of, the information Justin released or not.

Who's to say that the RCMP had suspects under surveillance who have now gone underground due to this information being released publicly? Obviously I don't know if that's true or not, but its certainly a very good reason why most investigations keep things under wraps as much as possible.

I'm glad you still have such faith in our governments credibility to do the right thing, I certainly do not.

The RCMP investigation on Chinese interference was ongoing when "whistleblowers" revealed content of reports and briefings by CSIS, and all the possibilities you mentioned were also possible in the midst of that investigation. Diplomats were also expelled then. But you had no problem with that one?

Sorry, this is obviously a serious issue, and the fact that you're more focused on finding a reason to criticize Trudeau that Canada's intelligence agencies having credible information that links the India government to a murder on Canada soil is... baffling.

Put your hate of Trudeau aside for a second and actually think about how silly that sounds.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Yoho

So go to the US then. It’s almost like these companies have been over promised.

Yeah, let's drive away investment. Lower our quality of life. That's the Alberta Advantage.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The RCMP investigation on Chinese interference was ongoing when "whistleblowers" revealed content of reports and briefings by CSIS, and all the possibilities you mentioned were also possible in the midst of that investigation. Diplomats were also expelled then. But you had no problem with that one?

Sorry, this is obviously a serious issue, and the fact that you're more focused on finding a reason to criticize Trudeau that Canada's intelligence agencies having credible information that links the India government to a murder on Canada soil is... baffling.

Put your hate of Trudeau aside for a second and actually think about how silly that sounds.

I'm criticizing Justin releasing a vague statement that has produced geopolitical blow back.

Again, saying India "played a role" could mean a million different things to a million different people. Let's see the cards on the table so that we can fully understand and make a judgement for ourselves.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Sweet summer child. CSIS and the RCMP would be running separate investigations with elements that cross over and they share with each other. The information that Prime Minister Trudeau has released would not be from the RCMP investigation.

Exactly. RCMP and CSIS are not one and the same. CSIS focuses on intelligence gathering and analysis. And RCMP, although they conduct their own investigations, primarily serve to execute enforcement of laws, policing and safeguarding critical infrastructure. They will share intelligence and coordinate activities together, but they have different mandates and answer to different legislation and oversight. The do, however, have a working relationship through the One Vision program to work on a disclosure and accountability protocol.

IMO, because there was the act of murder on Canadian soil, and with politically-motivated reasons that intelligence has likely found to be of international and foreign-government origin, there is RCMP and CSIS cooperation going on probably working from an integrated operation center on this one.

In other words, I suspect CSIS and the RCMP are both well aware of the context of this case and have been working with the Minister of Public Safety and the Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness, who then inform the government with information.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Again, saying India "played a role" could mean a million different things to a million different people. Let's see the cards on the table so that we can fully understand and make a judgement for ourselves.

Again, we know what the involvement was. They put a price on his head.

Again, the local LEO, gangsters with sikh ties and CSIS informed him of this. He chose not to live in fear of a government he escaped.

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Again, we know what the involvement was. They put a price on his head.

Again, the local LEO, gangsters with sikh ties and CSIS informed him of this. He chose not to live in fear of a government he escaped.

But if that was already known information prior to his murder, why is Justin making bold accusations about Indian involvement now? Why invite immediate geopolitical retribution to rehash allegations without evidence that the Indian government is only going to deny anyways?

Surely there is more to "playing a role" than putting a price on his head? And if that is it, why didn't Justin make that clear in his statement?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, let's drive away investment. Lower our quality of life. That's the Alberta Advantage.

Black gold, Texas tea is the only thing we need to invest in. Somehow we managed a long time without it. If they don’t like the pace go South.

[calgarygeologist]

CSIS planned a major intervention in 2017 to shut down rapidly growing Indian intelligence networks in Vancouver that were monitoring and targeting the Sikh community, according to a confidential Canadian foreign interference review.

But Ottawa blocked CSIS’s operation due to “political sensitivity” and fears it would impact Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s upcoming trip to India, the top secret June 2019 report says. And so, the Indian diplomat in Vancouver targeted by CSIS continued to run his networks “unabated.”

https://www.thebureau.news/p/indian-...orks-targeting

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

But if that was already known information prior to his murder, why is Justin making bold accusations about Indian involvement now? Why invite immediate geopolitical retribution to rehash allegations without evidence that the Indian government is only going to deny anyways?

Because they tried to do it behind the scenes and it led to Modi brushing him off at the G20 rather than deal with it. They have evidence. That's why this statement has been made. It's been shared with the five eyes. None of them have refuted it. That means it's more than likely true.

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Surely there is more to "playing a role" than putting a price on his head? And if that is it, why didn't Justin make that clear in his statement?

Because you don't put out everything you know in an open press conference to avoid exposing assets and agents. There isn't more to "playing a role" than putting a price on his head. A foreign government paid a bounty to have someone killed on our soil. That's ####ed up. That you think that's not enough is insane.


You're either a political partisan playing willfully ignorant or 13 and wading into your first online political argument. I'm going to hedge on the former and be done with you.

[Yoho]

Sure hope we see some proof to this distraction.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1704150935272923167

[FunkMasterFlame]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Because they tried to do it behind the scenes and it led to Modi brushing him off at the G20 rather than deal with it. They have evidence. That's why this statement has been made. It's been shared with the five eyes. None of them have refuted it. That means it's more than likely true.

Because you don't put out everything you know in an open press conference to avoid exposing assets and agents. There isn't more to "playing a role" than putting a price on his head. A foreign government paid a bounty to have someone killed on our soil. That's ####ed up. That you think that's not enough is insane.

You're either a political partisan playing willfully ignorant or 13 and wading into your first online political argument. I'm going to hedge on the former and be done with you.

Again, you're hedging all your bets on something you can't prove to be true. The RCMP and CSIS have not made any statements except that they will not talk about ongoing investigations. You're relying on Justins vague statement as proof of something and I don't believe he has earned that right.

Take your ball and go home, that's fine. I'll continue to be critical until Justin can produce more than just his word to be believed.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's bad when Trudeau doesn't act on ongoing intelligence investigations focused on China and bad when Trudeau even mentions ongoing intelligence investigations focused on India.

It would be great, if just once, when it is time to stand together as a country, that tribal politics are put aside and everyone pulls together for what is best for the country.

There clearly are external threats out there and they WILL expose and use the tribal divisions (many of which they have had a role in sowing) that are prevalent throughout western democracies.

We need to sort our #### out, because ‘divided we fall’ is and has always been a thing.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Again, we know what the involvement was. They put a price on his head.

Again, the local LEO, gangsters with sikh ties and CSIS informed him of this. He chose not to live in fear of a government he escaped.

Do you have any sources for this?

[TherapyforGlencross]

Originally Posted by FunkMasterFlame

Again, you're hedging all your bets on something you can't prove to be true. The RCMP and CSIS have not made any statements except that they will not talk about ongoing investigations. You're relying on Justins vague statement as proof of something and I don't believe he has earned that right.

Take your ball and go home, that's fine. I'll continue to be critical until Justin can produce more than just his word to be believed.

It hasn’t been 24 hours since the initial story break. I assume these things take time. We do know that we worked closely with American intelligence.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...ce-2023-09-19/

Canada worked "very closely" with the United States on intelligence that Indian agents had been potentially involved in the murder of a Sikh leader in British Columbia earlier this year, a senior Canadian government source said on Tuesday.

We need to keep our mouths shut during the investigation. Anything otherwise harms our national security

Additionally, PP has no security clearance, so he should get the same amount of information as all other politicians without security clearances

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Black gold, Texas tea is the only thing we need to invest in. Somehow we managed a long time without it. If they don’t like the pace go South.

hahahahahahahhahaaaaaaaaaaaaahaahhhahahahahahahaah ahahaha

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Do you have any sources for this?

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...2d6c6b75e.html