GDT:REVENGE! Canada VS Switzerland 5:30PM MST; CTV, FAN960

[Azure]

Originally Posted by sa226

I was just gonna say, in the few shots of Iginla sitting on the bench and in the celebratory scrum at the end, he looked very upbeat and positive.

Thats because Iginla is a leader and is wearing the A for a reason.

Babcock on the other hands needs to be kicked in the ass back to Detroit.

[sa226]

Despite our confusion about Iginlas role in this game, I sincerely hope he gets another chance in the remaining games to be an impact player, and isn't just shuffled down the depth chart.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Iginla was sluggish? He was 10 times better then Nash! Babcock seriously needs to remove his head from his ass!

Bwahaha... if true... wow.

Too bad Iggy is such a classy guy, if it was me I would tell them all to kiss my *^$ and save myself the trouble of suiting up to sit on the bench.

Fools.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by sa226

Despite our confusion about Iginlas role in this game, I sincerely hope he gets another chance in the remaining games to be an impact player, and isn't just shuffled down the depth chart.

He's been at the bottom of the depth chart to begin with.

10 min of icetime in Game 1, and he still got a hattrick.

At least in 02 Quinn took a relatively young Iginla and gave him the chance to succeed, and when Iginla played well he kept him together with the top center at the time, Sakic.

Babcock on the other hands seems to have some pride issues going on. That or he's just a frickin' moron.

Benching Iginla wasn't the only mistake he made. He benched Seabrook for a period and a half including OT, benched Doughty after a Swiss player basically held him in a bear hug to prevent him from getting back on the first Swiss goal, put together the Richards/Iginla/Morrow line, who had a hell of a shift and then he benched all 3 of them for the rest of the game.

Not to mention putting Getzlaf and Boyle on the PP constantly, despite neither of them doing jack all game long.

Weber was playing one heck of a game, and he has the big shot. Why on God's green earth wouldn't you have him on the PP?

If Gretzky played for Team Canada right now I swear Babcock would use him to win faceoffs and then bench him for the rest of the game.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Let's just say Nash scored 3 goals last game.

Tonight you need a goal in a tie game. Nash is basically stapled to the bench in the 3rd........a couple shifts, no PP time, no OT shifts.

I think there would be similar questioning here of how Babcock used his forwards in the latter parts of the game. It doesn't seem like it right now, because Iginla is a Flame, and this is a Flames fan site.

But basically benching him after the 2nd is a very strange move, IMO. But I'll wait until I hear his comments before I come to a conclusion.

I think that is the best summation of the source of my confusion. It just doesn't make sense.

Unfortunately we may never find out. If it was the Flames there would be a public inquiry. But its a Team Canada that according to all the analysts features a 4th line with Iginla.

[zamler]

Someone please tell me Babcock will come to his senses.

[Azure]

I prefer that he bench Iginla for the rest of the tournament.

Go Finland Go.

[sa226]

Originally Posted by zamler

Someone please tell me Babcock will come to his senses.

I just hope the collective "wisdom" of the coaching staff will reign supreme.

Hasn't Iginla dominated the Minnesota Wild the past 5 years?

Lemaire has had a front seat to that

[calgarybornnraised]

I wanna know where are hitting game went?....we used to plaster ppl to the boards!!!!

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Honestly Mayer, if all you got is a "Flames goggles" crack, just get lost.

Think about how poor your argument is. Iginla scored three goals against Norway. He did the one thing that all six forwards who did play the last half of this game failed to do: finish. When he did play tonight, he made some good setups, which you noticed, and which Crosby (especially) fumbled.

So you are out there in a tie game, and you keep running the same six forwards out over and over and over and watch them fail over and over and over, yet a guy who's scored his entire career, played well in his limited time in this game, and scored a hat trick in the last is left on the bench?

The complaints have nothing to do with Flames bias, no matter how loudly your Canucks bias screams in your head. The complaints are entirely the result of abysmal bench management by Babcock. He's working from the Mike Keenan book of coaching: Run your favourites no matter what, and screw over everyone else, even if they are outperforming your favourites.

More and more lately you have been completely missing something.

Go back and read who brought up the "goggles". Somehow me saying that I didn't mind how Babcock was coaching the game got distorted into me "needing to take off my Canuck goggles". I was simply responding with the same logic.

And again, I never said Iginla deserved to be benched. There were certain times I was saying to myself that he should have been out there. That said, we have no idea why he sat. Maybe he was injured, maybe Babcock saw something in his game that he didn't like. Who knows.

Understand?

[CGY12]

If you didn't mind how Babcock was coaching the game I really have to question your knowledge of the game. They just tied the SWISS, the SWISS. Their was no flow in team Canada's game which resulted in too many Swiss chances and players playing poorly. Sure the players can be faulted for that result but coaching is apart of that too.

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by CGY12

If you didn't mind how Babcock was coaching the game I really have to question your knowledge of the game. They just tied the SWISS, the SWISS. Their was no flow in team Canada's game which resulted in too many Swiss chances and players playing poorly. Sure the players can be faulted for that result but coaching is apart of that too.

People overestimate how much coaching actually effects the game.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but as you alluded to, it comes down to the players. Would playing Iginla regularly with Crosby/Nash been the difference in this game? Would they have dominated like they should have? Perhaps, but my guess is no.

Tonight they had no execution and couldn't seem to move the puck fast enough. Coaching won't fix that.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Mayer

People overestimate how much coaching actually effects the game.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but as you alluded to, it comes down to the players.

The players that the coach sends on the ice. Babcock's coaching decisions were complete garbage, it appears the only reason you're making excuse after excuse is because Iginla is involved.

[jeremywilhelm]

Originally Posted by Mayer

People overestimate how much coaching actually effects the game.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but as you alluded to, it comes down to the players. Would playing Iginla regularly with Crosby/Nash been the difference in this game? Would they have dominated like they should have? Perhaps, but my guess is no.

Tonight they had no execution and couldn't seem to move the puck fast enough. Coaching won't fix that.

Constantly ffffking with lines won't fix that either.

[zamler]

Cheese and rice why is anyone defending Babcock. He thinks he's still coaching in the NHL and is screwing up the flow and pace of Canada's game.

He better knock this crap off from now on.

[Mayer]

Originally Posted by zamler

The players that the coach sends on the ice. Babcock's coaching decisions were complete garbage, it appears the only reason you're making excuse after excuse is because Iginla is involved.

Good grief. Are you kidding?

I actually like Iginla. I always have. Thats why the Olympics is nice for me because I don't have to hope for him to fail like I normally do. I'm cheering him just as hard as you guys. I'm just not convinced that him getting more icetime would have been the difference.

But I can see we are not getting anywhere, so.......

Babcock sucks. What a horrible coach. I'm cheering for Sweden now.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Mayer

People overestimate how much coaching actually effects the game.

It matters, don't get me wrong, but as you alluded to, it comes down to the players. Would playing Iginla regularly with Crosby/Nash been the difference in this game? Would they have dominated like they should have? Perhaps, but my guess is no.

Tonight they had no execution and couldn't seem to move the puck fast enough. Coaching won't fix that.

Great lets base everything on your guess then and leave it at that. If you watched the game you would have seen that the first line was creating chances just not finishing and at time being to fancy. That doesn't mean you sit a player or break them up.

Judging by your comments maybe you've never played the game but coaching plays a huge role in winning a hockey game. Disturbuting PP time, finding the right matchups, knowing how to manage your bench, playing players that are on top of their game and not guys who aren't cause they are you personal favorite is crucial when coaching. Example? Getzlaf and Pronger were terrible tonight yet they saw a regular shift.