Who's getting the H1N1 shot?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Dion

I didn't have to lie to get my shot as I was up front as to my health and why I ws getting the shot. Besides I got mine before the govt flip flopped on thier postion on who should get thier shot first. Yet somehow i'm the bad guy in all this

Where did I say you lied to get your shot?

Where did I say you were the bad guy?

I gave my opinion on how I would have handled it, not how I think you should have. Thought that was pretty clear when I said "Personally I would..." and "Just my personal opinion...". Guess I should have been more clear.

I gave an example of which you would have probably been pretty pissed if someone took the chance for your mother to get it when she needed it. But I guess you skipped over that part just to get a little sympathy for "being the bad guy".

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Dion

FlamesAddiction seems to be pissed at me for getting my shot when he/she feels I shouldn't have.

No, I'm not pissed at you in particular. I am pissed at how the whole situation has created an "everyone for themselves" attitude. God forbid Canada ever has a large scale crisis. It's partly the media and partly the government, but personal choice plays into it too.

I'd love to see poll about what people would do on a sinking ship. I'm a strong believer in the "women and children" first concept, and I wouldn't need the government to tell me that it's the right thing to do.

Anyway, I never said that you shouldn't have had the shot. I made a general comment and it seems like your conscience urged you to defend yourself. I don't know your particular situation nor do you need to tell anyone.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

No, I'm not pissed at you in particular. I am pissed at how the whole situation has created an "everyone for themselves" attitude. God forbid Canada ever has a large scale crisis. It's partly the media and partly the government, but personal choice plays into it too.

You can blame the federal and provincial govts and the media for that. For not having enough flu clinics and using only 1 drug supplier to produce the vaccine for all of Canada. Then there's the media reporting all the deaths like the healthy 13 year old. It's no wonder people are flocking to the clinics.

I'd love to see poll about what people would do on a sinking ship. I'm a strong believer in the "women and children" first concept, and I wouldn't need the government to tell me that it's the right thing to do.

I'd love to see a national poll about how people think the Swine flu vaccination program is being handled. I suspect both the federal and provincial govts would get a failing grade.

Anyway, I never said that you shouldn't have had the shot. I made a general comment and it seems like your conscience urged you to defend yourself. I don't know your particular situation nor do you need to tell anyone.

Fair enough.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'd love to see poll about what people would do on a sinking ship. I'm a strong believer in the "women and children" first concept, and I wouldn't need the government to tell me that it's the right thing to do.

As far as I'm concerned women kissed that perk goodbye when they got the vote.

[Jedi Ninja]

Originally, I thought the way this vaccination was being managed was pure buffoonery. But recently I've had a revelation that there is actually some sort of incredible nefarious genius behind it all. Or at least, someone who is an ardent student of Nintendo marketing practices.

This revelation came to me after one of my coworkers, who had been railing against the H1N1 vaccine for months, suddenly went out one evening and got his whole family vaccinated. (Using the word "suddenly" might give the wrong impression... he didn't just get the vaccination, he stood in line for 3 hours and got vaccinated.) Before, he was totally one of those guys who was going on about "The vaccine is untested, rushed to market, long range medical side effects, yada yada." Then his talk turned this week to "they're running out of vaccine, if you don't go now, you won't be able to get the shot, everyone is trying to get it, yada yada yada." And that night he got vaccinated.

Like I said, it reminds me a lot of the way the Wii was sold. It's the Cabbage Patch doll of vaccines. It'll be interesting to see if the vaccination rate here ends up being higher than in other provinces where thing were handled in a more orderly fashion.

[Peanut]

Well, our 3.5 month old daughter is in the hospital. We are waiting for results to see if she has the flu or some other sort of infection. Please keep your fingers crossed for her and us.

It's a pretty scary scene here... everyone wearing masks, gloves, some nurses and docs even wearing eye shields.

I took it seriously before, but now I'm pretty much terrified.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Well, our 3.5 month old daughter is in the hospital. We are waiting for results to see if she has the flu or some other sort of infection. Please keep your fingers crossed for her and us.

It's a pretty scary scene here... everyone wearing masks, gloves, some nurses and docs even wearing eye shields.

I took it seriously before, but now I'm pretty much terrified.

Oh man, Peanut..... so sorry to hear she is ill.

I hope it all works out fine, fingers and toes crossed.

Hang in there, my thoughts are with you.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Well, our 3.5 month old daughter is in the hospital. We are waiting for results to see if she has the flu or some other sort of infection. Please keep your fingers crossed for her and us.

It's a pretty scary scene here... everyone wearing masks, gloves, some nurses and docs even wearing eye shields.

I took it seriously before, but now I'm pretty much terrified.

My thoughts and prayers are with your family. I hope everything comes out okay for your daughter.

[starseed]

I am very sorry to hear about that Peanut!

[killer_carlson]

good luck peanut.

We have a 5 month old and I'm really worried about this flu and her. I can't imagine if I was in your shoes.

Keep us informed.

[Thor]

My best friend called me tonight, his nephew who's 6 is in the hospital with H1N1 and is doing better today, apparently was pretty rough yesterday.

His dad is EMS and he was saying how things are starting to become over loaded, which is the biggest fear, only so many respirators and staff to deal with a outbreak.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

I will not be getting one. I don't get a normal flu shot so I don't understand why a flu that is not as deadly as the normal influenza requires all this attention.

I'm not getting it either(never had one) but the only reason it's not as deady is because it's new and isn't as wide spread, the strain itself could grow into a big killer. It's potental could be very very bad.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by T@T

I'm not getting it either(never had one) but the only reason it's not as deady is because it's new and isn't as wide spread, the strain itself could grow into a big killer. It's potental could be very very bad.

This in a nutshell is the paranoia by scientists because if this strain mutates it could be the next Spanish influenza.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Medical professionals (the same ones being cited by people here as promoting the vaccine as safe) have said that high risk people should get theirs first. Funny how people selectively choose what to listen to.
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It's the job of the government to communicate a consistent and clear message and in this regard they failed. While on one hand they did not about people in high risk groups getting the shots first - they also scared the crap out of everyone and basically slammed anyone that wasn't going to get a shot.

Just a week ago Dr. David Butler Jones and Leona Aglukkaq stood before the press in this city and said people that don't get the shot are "needlessly putting themselves and others at risk." Aglukkaq went on to state that up to 35% of us would get sick if as many Canadians didn't as possible didn't get the vaccine.

Butler Jones told the Herald Herald, if roughly half of Canadians refuse to get the shot, businesses could be short-staffed for the Christmas rush and intensive care units at hospitals could have trouble keeping up with the crush.

That was the message that Canadians heard loud and clear and reacted to. Any messages re. priority groups was secondary. It was a massive communications blunder and one of the most poorly executed campaigns I've ever witnessed.

[jammies]

All this energy spent over a miniscule chance of dying. Most of us would probably gain far more life expectancy by eating better and exercising more.

I'm not getting the shot and I won't regret a thing if I do get the flu. Don't set up a false dichotomy in your head that the flu shot will "save" you from dying; it might save you from dying of *this flu*, but there's plenty of death out there waiting still. Safety is an illusion, and while a certain amount of thought about self-preservation is useful, the mass hysteria around this "epidemic" is way out of proportion to the threat.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by jammies

All this energy spent over a miniscule chance of dying. Most of us would probably gain far more life expectancy by eating better and exercising more. I'm not getting the shot and I won't regret a thing if I do get the flu. Don't set up a false dichotomy in your head that the flu shot will "save" you from dying; it might save you from dying of *this flu*, but there's plenty of death out there waiting still. Safety is an illusion, and while a certain amount of thought about self-preservation is useful, the mass hysteria around this "epidemic" is way out of proportion to the threat.

This is why I drink and drive. I mean, there are so many things I could possibly die from.. getting hit by a bus walking to work, heart attack, murdered by a mugger. Not drinking and driving won't "save me". It would just "save me" from smashing a vehicle into a tree. So instead, I'm going to eat better and exercise more and continue to drink and drive.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I said earlier in this thread that I *might* have it, but I'm not sure. On and off I have the chills, but I haven't had much in the way of a fever. I've got a bit of a sore throat, but I'm able to swallow with minimal discomfort... but a sore throat isn't a primary symptom of H1N1. I HAD a massive headache, but then I discovered I had left-over codeine in my medical cabinet - no more headache. So the symptoms sorta fit and sorta don't fit. What makes me doubt that it's H1N1 even more is that those at work who HAVE had it said it knocked them out for a week and they didn't have the energy to do anything but lie in bed. I've gone for a walk (through the woods, not in public), did some yardwork and cleaned the garage.

Okay. Now I have a dilemma. As mentioned above, I feel sorta okay. I have some annoying symptoms, but none of them are debilitating. Now, the Ontario government flu site says that you are okay to return to work "24 hours after your fever has broken" as this is the point when it is no longer communicable. Well, what do I do since I've never had a fever? I definitely feel well enough to go to work. BUT I don't want to transmit it, especially if it is H1N1. The best thing I could find online was from a doctor representing the North Dakota Department of Health:

Q. If I’m feeling achy and tired and have a cough and sore throat — but no fever — does that mean I don’t have H1N1?

A. A person may have novel H1N1 and some of the other symptoms and not have a fever. Reports from the Southern Hemisphere during the last influenza season there indicate that a significant percentage of those infected with H1N1 did not report fever. Studies of seasonal influenza suggest that viral shedding correlates with fever. People who do not have fever may not be shedding virus as heavily as those who do. We have defined influenza–like illness as having a fever greater than 100 degrees with a cough or sore throat. This case definition is fairly specific during the influenza season. Because many viruses that circulate at the same time as influenza can cause similar symptoms, it is difficult to provide exact guidance. The guidance that we provide to the public is not expected to stop all transmission but to keep those most likely to transmit the virus at home until they are much less likely to transmit it — 24 hours after fever without fever reducing medication.

[photon]

Originally Posted by jammies

All this energy spent over a miniscule chance of dying. Most of us would probably gain far more life expectancy by eating better and exercising more.

As Jiri's post above yours indicates, there are other negative things about this than death.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by EDBTZ12

I thought you had Diabetes

I do. I made a mistake (misplaced [/quote]) when I quoted Hoot. Hoot said that, not me. I have fixed it.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Peanut

Well, our 3.5 month old daughter is in the hospital. We are waiting for results to see if she has the flu or some other sort of infection. Please keep your fingers crossed for her and us.

It's a pretty scary scene here... everyone wearing masks, gloves, some nurses and docs even wearing eye shields.

I took it seriously before, but now I'm pretty much terrified.

Oh dear. ..... I hope everything is ok.... my fingers are crossed.