Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Ped

Right, your go-to dig "must be an Oiler fan!" Not an Oiler fan, never have been an Oiler fan, never will be an Oiler fan, and if the OIlers lost every game from now until the end of time, I wouldn't lose a second of sleep. I don't know what Corey Perry did and I would prefer if no one signed him but I have no control over that.



But if you cant see that you're doing the same thing with Oiler fans what you are accusing anyone else of doing, then you truly have lost the plot. I mean, it's your call, but when you hate another team more than you enjoy your own, what's the point of being a sports fan? I mean, you're giving lectures on bitterness?

Doesn't everybody call you an Oiler fan?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ped

Really? I mean, jumping to a conclusion is one thing, but looking at the actual facts that we have and seeing what makes the most sense, barring any more information, is another thing.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

is there also a possibility that some of the 5 are not playing pro hockey? Not everyone involved was a member of the WJC team right?

Source? I assumed all people involved (except the victim) were players on the team.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Source? I assumed all people involved (except the victim) were players on the team.

Some of the reporting says the 2022 claim said 8 CHL players including 5 on the WJC team.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Some of the reporting says the 2022 claim said 8 CHL players including 5 on the WJC team.

This must be where the 4-6 wjc members come from. It implies 4 excluding the pizza guy, 4 including the pizza guy, 4 plus the pizza guy or 6 including the pizza guy. The pizza guy is kind of the key to the story imo.

Entered the room for pizza. Witnessed it. Didn't partake. Froze. Left after he could figure a way to remove himself from situation. Didn't report it or stop it. Presumably told police he wasn't sure if it was consensual, which leads to the "he said", "she said" scenario where police perhaps decline to charge

But if this pizza guy takes the stand, corroborates the girls version of the story and says "I was peer pressured at the time, with clarity of time, it was clearly assault and it haunts me that I didn't do anything"...it's probably ends up with his teammates serving prison time.

The pizza guy is the key witness.

[CF84]

Is this thread being abused by people on the NPD spectrum throwing their superior opinions and theories out there in hopes that they can later re-post if/when the speculation is later proven to be correct? All for what? Ego?

It shouldn't hurt to be patient because there will certainly be more informative details in a relatively short amount of time. What does anyone gain from being right? Did it help the victim? Did it rehabilitate the accused? Maybe most importantly, has anyone here changed anyone else's mind?

Maybe someone has a good reason for all of the speculation, but I would need to hear that reason because I truly can't think of one.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

This must be where the 4-6 wjc members come from. It implies 4 excluding the pizza guy, 4 including the pizza guy, 4 plus the pizza guy or 6 including the pizza guy. The pizza guy is kind of the key to the story imo.

Entered the room for pizza. Witnessed it. Didn't partake. Froze. Left after he could figure a way to remove himself from situation. Didn't report it or stop it. Presumably told police he wasn't sure if it was consensual, which leads to the "he said", "she said" scenario where police perhaps decline to charge

But if this pizza guy takes the stand, corroborates the girls version of the story and says "I was peer pressured at the time, with clarity of time, it was clearly assault and it haunts me that I didn't do anything"...it's probably ends up with his teammates serving prison time.

The pizza guy is the key witness.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

Rico? That you?

[bluejays]

If your captain is the leader and the person who you want to represent you in the family, why would anyone invite the captain to the room, as the pizza guy if the captain = pizza guy? I’m guessing Dube isn’t the pizza guy is all I’m saying.

[Sutter_in_law]

Originally Posted by bluejays

If your captain is the leader and the person who you want to represent you in the family, why would anyone invite the captain to the room, as the pizza guy if the captain = pizza guy? I’m guessing Dube isn’t the pizza guy is all I’m saying.

The whole captain thing is overblown I think. It's not like the players, whom most didn't know one another prior to the tournament, chose who the captain would be (or maybe they did??)

But to say the captain of the team is the leader outside of the room when partying at events later on, is pretty flimsy logic at best.

I have no idea what Dube's role was or wasn't in all of this. I will wait for details to come out.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751

He just wants to bring you Pizza. Why must he suffer?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

The whole captain thing is overblown I think. It's not like the players, whom most didn't know one another prior to the tournament, chose who the captain would be (or maybe they did??)

But to say the captain of the team is the leader outside of the room when partying at events later on, is pretty flimsy logic at best.

I have no idea what Dube's role was or wasn't in all of this. I will wait for details to come out.

I agree. This isn't like an NHL team captain who has been with the team for years and gradually assumed a leadership role, lives and works with the guys every day.

It's a guy chosen by brass in camp before an all-start tournamnet, who hasn't played with or against probably 75% of the guys on the team, and who, at the end of the touramnet says "see you around guys".

Whatever Dube's role was, captaincy probably had nothing to do with it.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'll start this off by saying that someone giving the impression of consent because they are under duress or feel threatened, obviously isn't consent and doesn't change whether an assault occurred.

Regarding pizza guy though, if he walked into a situation where something like this is happening, it isn't unreasonable that he didn't know how the situation unfolded and if there was duress. He could have been confused or just assumed it was consensual. Some people literally are that dumb, especially if they don't have a lot of life experience.

There's that It's Always Sunny sketch where Dennis wanted to get a boat to take girls out on the ocean and have sex. Mack questions him about it saying, what if they don't want to have sex, and Dennis said that of course "no means no", but they aren't going to say no, because of the implication of danger. Mack is confused and realizes that it sounds like rape to put someone in a position where they are forced to not say no. It's meant to be dark comedy of course, but it is a pretty good illustration of how some guys will manipulate situations to try and make it look like there is consent when there really isn't.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Ped

Sure.

OMFG... seriously, what the hell is wrong with you?


You quote my #5, but you don't quote 1-4 with it, huh? Gee, I wonder why?



Seriously, get bent. You are using my post and insinuating that I am defending Dube. No. I am very clear in my posts - I am neither defending Dube, nor am I condemning him. You misquote me on purpose, and that makes you an ass. You know that, right?


You know very well what the intent and spirit of my post was. You panicked at being called out, and looked for whatever shred of evidence you could find, and you include this? Kind of irrational and bordering on unhinged if you ask me.


What's next? Quote long sentences and randomly delete words so it fits your narrative better? Hey, I got an idea for you. If you search through my history before all of this came out, I know I said that Dube has leadership intangibles. How about you quote me on that and completely misconstrue my intent again? Nah, I got an easier approach - how about you just quote this post, just delete everything in it, and just type out what you want me to say, and call me out on it? Just make it easier on yourself.



Sorry, but I can not stand posters who take a snippet of syntax to form an argument, without taking into consideration the context that it is in. That's an asinine way to argue.

[schteve_d]

854 posts on a topic that we know very little about seems somewhat absurd to me!

I know, I know, I've had the odd thing to say in here too, it just seems crazy. We barely know a damn thing and yet, here we are...

[flylock shox]

Interesting and timely ruling from the SCC on an unrelated sexual assault case.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...-assault-case/

[MacDaddy77]

What is this story of the pizza guy? I can’t understand what information there is about this whole scenario.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

What is this story of the pizza guy? I can’t understand what information there is about this whole scenario.

Someone can correct me if I’ve got this wrong but one of the players went into the room with pizza while the assault was occurring, or in some state of it. He said he couldn’t really tell what was going on and whether it was consensual. He left after 10 mins or so.

There are some speculating that pizza guy could have been Dube.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

854 posts on a topic that we know very little about seems somewhat absurd to me!

I know, I know, I've had the odd thing to say in here too, it just seems crazy. We barely know a damn thing and yet, here we are...

It seems pretty obvious that when there is a high visibility situation, and then an abundance of coincidental or incredibly relevant data comes to light, that people would be interested to discuss, and there would be a a considerable number of posts trying to figure out how to discuss something so sensitive but visible

People see dots begging for connection. I wonder what may be your definition of absurd

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Someone can correct me if I’ve got this wrong but one of the players went into the room with pizza while the assault was occurring, or in some state of it. He said he couldn’t really tell what was going on and whether it was consensual. He left after 10 mins or so.

There are some speculating that pizza guy could have been Dube.

Haven't heard that at all, Batherson's name has come up though.