[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

If we are actually going to compete for the division the smarter play would have been to trade Toffoli straight up for picks, hopefully get a 2nd and 3rd in this years draft and sign Yegor to a 3 year 9.3 million dollar deal and give up the 2024 2nd for him. 20024 2nd would have been around 50th-58th then and if we had gotten a 2nd and 3rd in this years draft we would be ahead in draft capital and have the player. Doubt the Devils want a guy who they healthy scratched in the playoffs at 3.1.

Can guarantee the Devils weren't offering that at all.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

So, in summary, the smarter play would have been to trade Toffoli and a 2024 2nd, for Yegor, and a 2023 2nd and 3rd.

Hard to argue that getting a better return from NJ wouldn’t be smarter, but have you considered that a better deal wasn’t on the table, or I guess Conroy would have taken it?

Just saying Yegor is worth a 2024 2nd. If we think we are competing for the division that will be a low 2nd in a weaker draft. The trade is basically a 2023 3rd and a 2024 2nd because almost anyone would have been able to offer sheet him and probably get him from the Devils.

[iloveicedhockey]

The year is 2024, one week before the NHL trade deadline. After refusing to sell Tyler Toffoli at the draft, the player suffered a comparative dip in form and is performing like a 52 pt guy. GMCMC is working the phones and offers are no better than the draft; 8 other teams are selling too and the market is representative. The flames are only a few back of the playoff spots so the option the keep the player remains viable, until Toffoli goes down in an innocuous coming together. He's torn something. He's out for the season. The guys and gals on Calgary Puck are furious at the poor asset management. The cycle continues.

[Scroopy Noopers]

“Why didn’t the people actually involved in this deal just get the players that I would have preferred! They were right there!”

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Can guarantee the Devils weren't offering that at all.

Nope, they might. Would be odd to offer a playoff scratch 3.1 when you have 4 other RFA’s to sign who actually played in the playoffs (along with 2 other players) and you only have about 7 million to spend (assuming you sign Yegor for 3.1). But it is possible. Given their cap situation, I would not have been surprised if they did not even qualifying him if he had stayed.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

“Why didn’t the people actually involved in this deal just get the players that I would have preferred! They were right there!”

Reality is very difficult for some people to accept and reconciling their opinions with reality is even more difficult.

Really...Toffoli should have brought us a high 2023 1st, two 2023 2nds and an elite prospect. Without retention.

Uh huh. Sure...in some fantasy world.....sheesh.

[BrownDrake]

I think Yegor is a great pick-up, bought low so his contract should be decent value.


How is Yegor compared to the rest of the 2018 Draft class??
- 11th Games Played (205)
- 4th Goals (53)
- 8th points (106)
In a redraft right now its tough to put him drafted any less than 15th overall.



His production was lower last season, one of the reasons was less ice time, got pushed down the roster as Timo Meier was added in February.


We did get a 1st and 3rd, got younger, bigger and lower cap hit with more control.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SoulOfTheFlame

Still feel like it's not great asset management. Could have better maximized the value at the trade deadline.

For a player who has requested a trade before the season has even started? That seems doubtful given everything that could happen in a season.

[Robbob]

I have to be honest that I don't know much about the player we received, but in regards to the player it is a wait and see. At the end of the day it is never a bad idea to add a bit of size and speed. Also completely agree that the 3rd in a deep draft would be like a second in other years. Plus you get a player one year farther along the develop curve.

[Red Slinger]

I don't know why but Shahardtospell reminds me a little of Sean Donovan.

Good: sell an asset when it's high (Tofolli's career season) and buy an asset when it's low
Bad: Was hoping for a player or pick that was more likely to have more upside.

Tyler will probably do fine in Jersey but he is who he is, mostly a secondary player that relies on others to do the heavy lifting. The success of this trade relies entirely on how Shaginawich performs. Hopefully the Flames will put him in a position to succeed.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

We don't have to worry about that happening because it's the Flames. I could understand this post more if we were fans of a winning organization but we are fans of one of the bottom 10 organizations in the NHL so doom and gloom is a byproduct of the organizations mishaps over the decades. The Flames after all are probably the shining example of NHL mediocrity for the last 30 years. Sure some fans may come off as doom and gloom but that's what happens when the team you cheer for lets you down on a nearly annual basis. Personally I always hope for the best even though that hasn't got me anywhere for almost 30 years but it's really hard to not fear the worst because that typically is the end result with the Flames.

This trade isn't terrible IMO. It's a little underwhelming and it's totally fine for posters to state their opinion good or bad as the Flames haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.

What is your metric and how do you define the Flames as a bottom 10 organization? Because as a franchise they have the 7th best winning pct all time.

[Ashasx]

In the 32 Thoughts Podcast this morning, Friedman wondered if Chris Snow pushed for Conroy to acquire Sharangovich.

edit: credit to sureloss

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman also on the 32T podcast:

Wouldn't be surprised if Chris Snow's analytics was the one pushing for Sharangovich

[Strange Brew]

If you really have 4 or 5 (or more) players who don’t want to sign after this year, you can certainly walk one or two to the trade deadline. But all of them? I don’t think so.

Makes sense to start moving guys who may be higher injury risk first.

I kind of think Vladar is next to go but whoever reported he would fetch at least a second seems implausible. At least not in this year’s draft.

[SuperMatt18]

I still think people are probably undervaluing Sharangovich because he wasn't a first round pick or a sexy name that people recognize from the draft.

If it was Filip Chytil, Owen Tippett, Morgan Frost, Casey Mittelstadt, Vilardi plus a 3rd people would have been fine with it.

Even though over the past three seasons Sharangovich has produced more than all of those guys, he's just coming off a down season in 22-23 instead of those guys who had their best seasons and they are all about the same age.

And yeah I get why the people that would have preferred a first would prefer that (would signal more a scorched earth rebuild) but think that's not happening.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bluejays

...I’m not thrilled with the return. He will definitely put up more points than last year given more ice time, but it’s not a deadline rental situation. They got Toffoli for a full season at his career high. I think most fans thought that would garner a bit more. I guess it didn’t and the flames pivoted to wanting someone to play to fill out the roster while also providing more youth until the inevitable Lindholm deal which will bring in more picks who will show up in a few years.

No. The Flames did not "pivot." The plan was always to move players this offseason for younger players while keeping the team competitive. This looks like a step in that direction. And no, the Flames are not actively looking to trade Lindholm. They will most likely sign him to an extension.

Anyway, I think a lot of fans are now self justifying but I don’t think it was a great return given he was at his career high and you get a full year of service at a cheap price. Not to mention a terrible free agent year. Thought things would’ve lined up well. Equivalent of a 2nd and a 3rd rounder. They do have to hit Lindholm out of the park.

I think a lot of fans like you have this same astonishing short-term perspective in which the only thing you guys seem to think should factor into every decision was last year's performance.

[the-rasta-masta]

Toffoli wanted 7 years from the Flames. They weren’t even close.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

If you really have 4 or 5 (or more) players who don’t want to sign after this year, you can certainly walk one or two to the trade deadline. But all of them? I don’t think so.

Makes sense to start moving guys who may be higher injury risk first.

I kind of think Vladar is next to go but whoever reported he would fetch at least a second seems implausible. At least not in this year’s draft.

Yes, it always seemed to me that they’d trade some now and some at the TDL. I actually thought Toffoli would be a TDL guy but that was before his trade request.

Tanev is an injury risk. But it’s for that reason I think teams won’t want him until the TDL. Who wants to trade assets and then have an injured guy a week in? But if he’s healthy at the TDL then he’s exactly what a contending team wants.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Toffoli wanted 7 years from the Flames. They weren’t even close.

Toffoli is getting 7 years from no team so it feels like Toffoli just wanted out.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Toffoli is getting 7 years from no team so it feels like Toffoli just wanted out.

Never say never

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Toffoli is getting 7 years from no team so it feels like Toffoli just wanted out.

I think he desperately wants to sign his extension this summer because I think he knows he’s a long shot to repeat this past season.