#occupy<insertlocalehere>

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Nonsense. Noise every couple of nights and not being able to get to your job are just a little bit different. The occasional drunk idiot and a few hundred people camped out with drum circles are just a little bit different. Honestly, there is nothing comparable about those situations at all.

Uh huh. You're the expert, Mr Valo

If you're having trouble circumventing a protest to get to work, maybe you need to think a bit harder and leave a bit earlier. Like I said, you adjust your life for awhile, you end up not being grumpy all the time about it, and you survive.

But I know, you love to dis the occupiers and nothing I say or anyone else says will change that.

[mikey_the_redneck]

You have a legitimate gripe on the Calgary protest in specific, and to make myself clear, I also don't really see the point of having an "occupy" protest in an abundantly wealthy Canadian city....atleast not yet. We are not hard done by. There are jobs to be had.

That being said I'm not for shutting down a legit protest because things get dirty. Anytime you get huge crowds around you are going to get a mess (eg Red Mile, fair grounds etc) It's too bad the police can't identify the trouble makers and remove them, but in the US they are too busy harrassing crowds with their riot gear on.

[woob]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It stopped being a protest a while ago and its just a freak show now.

I think your dislike for the OccupyCalgary group may be shading your opinion of the whole Occupy movement. Even I agree, the YYC group are a bunch of nitwits, but not the case in some of the other cities. Yes, each city has it's nitwits but what do you expect? All cities have a homeless population, a population of entitled teens, a population of professional protesters. The amount of judgement taking place by the critics is almost amusing. And I'll be the first to admit I've lobbed some myself when it comes to YYC. But if you've spent anytime watching any of the Livestream or Ustream channels coming out of NYC, you'll see that there are many well spoken, polite, employed, good people who are taking part in this.

I think mainstream media loves to latch on to the underbelly of the movement because it makes for good news. It's like when you watch the nightly news, typically the first 20 minutes is crime here, crooked politician there, Nenshi did what?? Heck, how often have you watched the news and the only feel good story is a short 5 minute segment at the end of the newscast?

Protests are meant to be disruptive. They're meant to be loud, they're meant to be annoying, they're meant to grab your attention, whether it be positive or negative attention.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by woob

I think your dislike for the OccupyCalgary group may be shading your opinion of the whole Occupy movement. Even I agree, the YYC group are a bunch of nitwits, but not the case in some of the other cities. Yes, each city has it's nitwits but what do you expect? All cities have a homeless population, a population of entitled teens, a population of professional protesters. The amount of judgement taking place by the critics is almost amusing. And I'll be the first to admit I've lobbed some myself when it comes to YYC. But if you've spent anytime watching any of the Livestream or Ustream channels coming out of NYC, you'll see that there are many well spoken, polite, employed, good people who are taking part in this.

I think mainstream media loves to latch on to the underbelly of the movement because it makes for good news. It's like when you watch the nightly news, typically the first 20 minutes is crime here, crooked politician there, Nenshi did what?? Heck, how often have you watched the news and the only feel good story is a short 5 minute segment at the end of the newscast?

Protests are meant to be disruptive. They're meant to be loud, they're meant to be annoying, they're meant to grab your attention, whether it be positive or negative attention.

No effective protests target and annoy the people that they're protesting against.

the one percent isn't really being inconvenienced, realistically wall street is the wrong target, they should be protesting the government.

They're pissing off, inconveniencing and annoying the people that they're supposed to be protesting for.

[Muta]

I think there's some merit on protesting on Wall Street. I think if anything, it's showing the people who work there that the general public knows about the crony capitalism and immoral activities they were engaging in that led to the collapse in 2008. Real change will come from Washington, I agree, but Wall Street isn't without blood on their hands either.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Uh huh. You're the expert, Mr Valo

If you're having trouble circumventing a protest to get to work, maybe you need to think a bit harder and leave a bit earlier. Like I said, you adjust your life for awhile, you end up not being grumpy all the time about it, and you survive.

But I know, you love to dis the occupiers and nothing I say or anyone else says will change that.

Do you do a lot of commuting in NYC? Have a lot of friends and co-workers who do? You're very familiar with these peoples occupations and ways of life and how easy it is for them to adjust it?

Captains post sums up my feelings perfectly. This quickly went from a group with some strong points about societal issues to a group of entitled brats and fringe elements more concerned with staking a claim to a park. Look at the majority of the debate in both occupy threads, the majority of the discussion isn't about wealth disparity or financial reforms, it's about squatting.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Muta

I think there's some merit on protesting on Wall Street. I think if anything, it's showing the people who work there that the general public knows about the crony capitalism and immoral activities they were engaging in that led to the collapse in 2008. Real change will come from Washington, I agree, but Wall Street isn't without blood on their hands either.

The people they're targeting don't work there. The big banks haven't been located on Wall St in decades. The people who do work there are largely lower level employees, almost certainly members of the 99%. Not to mention the fact that it's a large residential community.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Muta

I think there's some merit on protesting on Wall Street. I think if anything, it's showing the people who work there that the general public knows about the crony capitalism and immoral activities they were engaging in that led to the collapse in 2008. Real change will come from Washington, I agree, but Wall Street isn't without blood on their hands either.

Then why the hell aren't they protesting in front of the white house, those are the people that continued to hand out bailouts, they're the ones that didn't regulate what was happening?

Contrary to the illusion that's being perpetrated by the occupy movement, there are very few of the so called one percent that are being inconvienienced.

Not everyone on Wall Street drives a porche and has a butler accompanied elevated to the top floor of Duke and Duke.

And I agree, when you watch the news and have person after person complaining about the occupy camps because they stink, they're noisy and their ugly, that my friend is not an effective protest, its an annoyance and thats differenct.

They keep listing their demands and screaming and raising their grubby hands stating that they're not leaving until they get their change, but really have any serious powerbrokers said yeah they're right lets listen. Or do the cries of these squatters generally fall on deaf ears now because they're lunatics?

As far as protests go, the dirty stinking hippy generation has it all over these guys in spades. They were focused and honestly fairly organized in their disorganization, and they changed a nation. It feels like all that these people have done is make people roll their eyes.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Then why the hell aren't they protesting in front of the white house, those are the people that continued to hand out bailouts, they're the ones that didn't regulate what was happening?

Contrary to the illusion that's being perpetrated by the occupy movement, there are very few of the so called one percent that are being inconvienienced.

I agree, they should be protesting in Washington. There's no question abou that.

But Wall Street is a great symbol of the crony capitalism that went on, and is likely still going on, in today's American economic / political climate.

I just don't think the protest would have the same effect if they did it in Times Sqaure or Central Park. New York is also a place that may be more easy for people to congregate in - plus the fact that the population of New York is much, much greater, but that fact is fairly obvious.

[Cowperson]

Occupy Wall St. protests costing taxpayers millions . . . .

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/occup...ry?id=14975940

Cowperson

[Kipperriffic]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Then why the hell aren't they protesting in front of the white house, those are the people that continued to hand out bailouts, they're the ones that didn't regulate what was happening?

I am so glad that SOMEONE said that finally.

[CaptainCrunch]

Occupy Atlanta released a statement that week in response.
"Today we were all dismayed by Mayor Kasim Reed's claim that our nonviolent demonstration against corporate greed and economic inequities cost the city over $400,000. This is, of course, a factual error," according to the statement in the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The group said the mayor "spent the people's money on an extreme excessive police presence that rivals any big-budget Hollywood production to manage several hundred peaceful demonstrators that wanted nothing more than public space to assemble and air grievances."

What a load of crap, in occupy new york for example there are stabbings and drug problems that have been documented, you have people running out to stop traffic, you have cops getting liquids thrown in their faces. In occupy Vancouver you have tent OD's

You have a TB breakout in one occupy camp, probably from inhaling dried poop flakes ()

In Calgary you have people setting themselves on fire.

You have so called peaceful protesters trying to actively prevent people from getting into buildings.

Yeah dumb a$$ your protest might be peaceful but that police presence is required as is the damage you caused to your squatters village, as is various other things.

And the people that are paying for this damage ain't the 1%'ers its the 99%'ers that you pretend to represent.

[MarchHare]

For a different perspective, two journalists from The Daily Caller, a right-wing publication that has been writing unflattering reports about Occupy Wall Street, were assaulted and injured by NYC cops while covering the protest. They were immediately assisted by the protesters who offered them medical aid.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/da...#ixzz1dzG1g08a

“The police officers were beating the protesters with batons, and were also beating the media,” Fields told TheDC. “They hit Direna and me with batons. They hit other members of the press in order to get them to move out of the street.”

Both were struck, but neither sustained injuries that required hospitalization.

Clear indications that Fields and Cousins were members of the press didn’t stop the NYPD beating.

“Direna had a camera in her hand and I had a microphone, and we were being hit,” she said. “When I fell to the ground I said at one point, ‘I’m just covering this! I’m covering this!’ And the officer just said, ‘Come on, get up, get up,’ before pulling me up by my jacket.’”

In the crush of the crowd, Fields and Cousins were unable to get out of the street and comply with the NYPD’s orders.

“The protesters came up to me right away and asked if I needed any medical assistance. They were actually very kind and helpful. It was the police officers who were very aggressive,” Fields added.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

Do you do a lot of commuting in NYC? Have a lot of friends and co-workers who do? You're very familiar with these peoples occupations and ways of life and how easy it is for them to adjust it?

Captains post sums up my feelings perfectly. This quickly went from a group with some strong points about societal issues to a group of entitled brats and fringe elements more concerned with staking a claim to a park. Look at the majority of the debate in both occupy threads, the majority of the discussion isn't about wealth disparity or financial reforms, it's about squatting.

Nope, I don't. But I haven't read any news articles saying people are consistently unable to get to work everyday due to the protest.

I'm well aware of your feelings towards the movement. That has never been doubted.

[valo403]

It seems like this would be a very difficult situation for the police. Differentiating between media and a protester with a camera seems difficult, and there's enough of an element out to cause problems to keep the cops on edge.

I think the NYPD has been relatively calm throughout this, at least by their standards, but tensions are obviously mounting. I'm not sure what they would be expected to do when attempting to control a couple thousand people though, I mean at some point you're going to have to smack some people with a baton in that situation are you not?

[woob]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

For a different perspective, two journalists from The Daily Caller, a right-wing publication that has been writing unflattering reports about Occupy Wall Street, were assaulted and injured by NYC cops while covering the protest. They were immediately assisted by the protesters who offered them medical aid.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/17/da...#ixzz1dzG1g08a

Damn hippies, lunatics, and fringe elements!!

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

Nope, I don't. But I haven't read any news articles saying people are consistently unable to get to work everyday due to the protest.

I'm well aware of your feelings towards the movement. That has never been doubted.

You haven't read any articles, and I've talked to numerous coworkers who have had issues getting to and from their homes. I don't particularly care if you believe me, you'd have to be quite naive to think that the enhanced security in the area and the repeated street closures haven't caused issues for many.

As for my feelings, I hope they haven't been doubted. This could have been a great movement focused on starting a public discourse on important issues. Instead it's become a fight over the right to squat in a park.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by woob

Nope, I don't. But I haven't read any news articles saying people are consistently unable to get to work everyday due to the protest.

I'm well aware of your feelings towards the movement. That has never been doubted.

Even CTV news net has been showing new york interviews with local residents and workers.

1) The camp stunk, it was loud at all hours of the night
2) Local businesses were seeing an increase in walk in traffic revenue
3) They can't use the park because of the squatters.

[woob]

Originally Posted by valo403

You haven't read any articles, and I've talked to numerous coworkers who have had issues getting to and from their homes. I don't particularly care if you believe me, you'd have to be quite naive to think that the enhanced security in the area and the repeated street closures haven't caused issues for many.

As for my feelings, I hope they haven't been doubted. This could have been a great movement focused on starting a public discourse on important issues. Instead it's become a fight over the right to squat in a park.

I never doubted that there has been impact on people. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read my posts. I'm saying you adjust your life and you move on.

It's still a great movement to many, it's the critics who b#tch and complain about it all day long who like to think it's a lost cause. Even those who agree with some of the bad press coming out of the movement agree that the seed has been planted and even if they take a break, the dialogue has been opened.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by woob

I never doubted that there has been impact on people. Perhaps you need to go back and re-read my posts. I'm saying you adjust your life and you move on.

It's still a great movement to many, it's the critics who b#tch and complain about it all day long who like to think it's a lost cause. Even those who agree with some of the bad press coming out of the movement agree that the seed has been planted and even if they take a break, the dialogue has been opened.

Ah yes, because it's just that simple right? Perhaps you have a job that allows you to just come in a bit late and leave a bit early, but not everyone does.

Your attitude pretty much sums up why I'm growing to really despise the entire thing, your right to protest doesn't trump the rights of thousands of people to simply live their lives. Maybe the protest should adjust to avoid screwing with the very people they claim to be protesting for? Of course that won't happen, because they think they're so important that their pursuit is worth more than those people.