2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I full expect all 3 to be locked up, together as the new "core" if you will.
The team will be built around these guys, with hopefully Zayne joining as early as next year.

I hope you are right (and you are an insider so you are more likely to be than I would be). I am hoping Conroy gets as much term as possible, 8 years for each of them would be ideal. I personally could care less about how much, care way more about term.

I would be fine with all of them getting 8% of next years cap (assuming a 93 million dollar cap that would be around 7.5 million each). Not say they should get the same number but I could care less about the number. In 4 years with where the cap is likely going that would end up being 6.5% of the cap in the middle of their contracts and dropping.

Carolina basically did the same thing. Jarvis signed for 8.43% of cap value at the start of his contract, already looks like a steal and is going to be below 7% of cap value in a couple years. Svechnikov signed for 9.3% of cap value and has proven to be a good contract. Even Kotkaniemi signed for 5.84% of cap value and looks like he will be a 40 point forward and soon making under 5% of cap value. Carolina's balance sheet looks so good beacuse they signed a third of their roster to longterm contracts banking on the salary cap continuing to rise at a rapid rate.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Zary and Coronato are (should end up being) high end line 2 guys on a cup contending team (Or elite 3rd line, 2B shutdown line)

The problem is the Flames are missing 3 top line forwards in the pipeline to be an elite team.

And top line forwards don't grow on trees.

Everyone's definition of top line seems to be different, but I think you are right but really it is more they are missing a franchise center in the pipeline.

I really don't see many teams that have 3 forwards that are substantially better than a guy like Coronato or Zary projects to be.

Carolina - Aho, Svechnikov and Rantanen?
Florida - Barkov, Tkachuk and Reinhart - 100% this group
Toronto - Matthews, Marner and Nylander - 100% this group

After that, 3rd forward on any other team isn't that much better than what Coronato or Zary could be.

[Rhett44]

I think people tend to overrate their own prospects by a wide margin.

I can see 2nd line for Coronato, but if you are playing him top line you probably have a bad team. He has a great shot, but still only on pace for around 20.

I like him, but I like him as a 2nd liner.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

After that, 3rd forward on any other team isn't that much better than what Coronato or Zary could be.

That's a high bar, what they "could be".

[Harry Lime]

Cole Reinhardt on waivers in Ottawa today. 24 and born in Calgary. I think that he is a better fourth line option than Klapka, Rooney, Hunt... everybody not named Lomberg. Has scoring touch, and sandpaper.

[Toonage]

Rather the Flames call up one of their own Cole Reinhardts.

[Naitix]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hm. I am not sure about Coronato yet. His pace is very similar to the pace a 22 year old Mangiapane put up.

Was/ is mangiapane a 2nd liner or a really good 3rd liner? I think the latter but I can see some argument for the former.

Flashes of elite skill arent really enough in the nhl, its about consistency. I hope Coronato has as good a growth curve as Mangiapane over the next year, but I am not sure I really see more than that, and to me that's not a top line player, but a really good complimentary piece.

Mangiapane, in his 21-22 year old season (2017-2018) played in the AHL and had 0 points in 10 NHL games. In his 23-24 year old season he had 32 points in 68 games (17 goals)

Coronato, in his 21-22 year old season (current season) is on pace for 20 goals and 23 assists.

They are not comparable, Coronato is wayyyy better

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think people tend to overrate their own prospects by a wide margin.

I can see 2nd line for Coronato, but if you are playing him top line you probably have a bad team. He has a great shot, but still only on pace for around 20.

I like him, but I like him as a 2nd liner.

The presence of 1 franchise center can also change the perception of the players we have. A guy like Necas seems like a solid player in Carolina but could be a 100-point guy in Colorado.

Give Coronato a high-end skilled center with high end speed and watch him score 30-40 goals. He will be considered a first liner then.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Rather the Flames call up one of their own Cole Reinhardts.

That's what Klapka was supposed to be, but he's soft as butter.
Stromgren isn't a fourth line player, neither is Kerins.
I'm not sure if Calgary has this guy in the system, but they do have a Popesil and a Lomberg on the main team.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Cole Reinhardt on waivers in Ottawa today. 24 and born in Calgary. I think that he is a better fourth line option than Klapka, Rooney, Hunt... everybody not named Lomberg. Has scoring touch, and sandpaper.

He was on waivers yesterday and cleared.

[CFO]

Coronato is in his early stages still. Guy has an elite shot. You can't teach that. He can beat goalies from a distance. Rest of his game needs to keep improving. If it does he is a top line scoring winger.

Jarome Iginla wasn't an instant 40 plus goal scorer as well. He was a 20 goal guy his first couple seasons.

It takes time.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

That's what Klapka was supposed to be, but he's soft as butter.

I bet Tom Wilson doesn't think so.

[bax]

Brandt Clarke potentially available? What does LA need in the short term? That would be one heck of a get, granted not a huge organizational need right now, but talent is talent.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1884684252492484999

[dammage79]

Edit: NVM, he's a RHS, something the Flames do not need, at all.

[dammage79]

Weekes leaning into the Clarke thing and saying he's in a Elias Petterson package.

https://x.com/sas11h/status/1884708952870453493?s=19

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Weekes leaning into the Clarke thing and saying he's in a Elias Petterson package.

https://x.com/sas11h/status/1884708952870453493?s=19

Inside Elias Pettersen’s head

‘Please not Buffalo, please not Buffalo, please not Buffalo…..’

[Jiri Hrdina]

I like Clarke but how is that a key need for the Canucks. They have two offensively minded guys already in Hronek and Hughes.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Why would that be exactly what Vancouver is looking for?

Byfield and Clarke for Pettersson and Hronek

[TheScorpion]

That's not a real insider at all. Known troll.