2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Bonded]

Coronato shows flashes of elite skill for sure.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I see Coronato being at best a good 2nd line guy. I really don't see enough elite talent there needed to be a 1st liner. Sure, you can play him on 1st line, but on a contender I don't see him ever being a 1st liner.

Zary I don't want to set a limit because I do see some game changing skills at times. I think best case for him would be low end 1st line center.

Either way, that user has some good points. We don't have 1st line prospects at forward, and this is the beginning of the rebuild. It's great we have Wolf who is playing unreal, although goalies are unpredictable and even that isn't a certainty based off of one year.

We still need a lot of assets. I would love to collect a few Wolf and Parekh type assets at forward over the next couple years.

I think if you feel Coronato's pace this year is an aberration then sure he's middle roster.

He's currently on a 21 goal pace over 82 games.

If that's a step towards a 25-30 goal guy that can play on a shut down line and not get lost defensively ... then yes he's a top line forward.

If it's a blip and he's really a 15-20 goal guy then he's a 2nd line forward.

He's not a third line guy by any metric.

[Monahammer]

Hm. I am not sure about Coronato yet. His pace is very similar to the pace a 22 year old Mangiapane put up.

Was/ is mangiapane a 2nd liner or a really good 3rd liner? I think the latter but I can see some argument for the former.

Flashes of elite skill arent really enough in the nhl, its about consistency. I hope Coronato has as good a growth curve as Mangiapane over the next year, but I am not sure I really see more than that, and to me that's not a top line player, but a really good complimentary piece.

[Funkhouser]

Coronato will be a top line player. I have seen enough from him, in his rookie year, to suggest that if he is playing with other top liners he will fit-in.

As far as I am concerned, he is our only projected top line player in the system.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

He said exactly what conroy has been saying and it has nothing to do with ignoring the plan… it’s about getting that young centre to “rebuild” with. That will require assets, because oddly enough, any young centre worth trading for has value.

Just because you don’t like how “the plan” is going, doesn’t mean it’s not the plan.

I’ve said before I’d have preferred a tear it down rebuild and a shot at a top three pick, but with the team doing what it’s doing, and having a goalie perform as well as Wolf, you can’t completely blow it up unless you trade the goalie… and if you do that, you’re… Buffalo. But at least you’re following “the plan.”

I don't know what the heck you are talking about, I was responding to his hypothetical that the Flames put more assets on the table. Overpaying for mid players is not part of the plan, that would mean they are just desperate for anything.

Not sure I have ever seen a team in the 1st year of a rebuild trading picks and prospects. That is how you end up like Buffalo or Montreal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ugh yeah Coronato is not Mangiapane. He is a legit threat to score when the puck is on his stick. Mangiapane shift would be a win if he didn't fall over 10 times just doing a normal hockey move.

I think he is trending to be a 1st liner right now at worst 2nd line. He can create his own shot much like Iggy did. Get him a guy that can get him some tap in in the hard areas which eh goes to and set up a few one timers and we are looking at a 25-35G guy.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hm. I am not sure about Coronato yet. His pace is very similar to the pace a 22 year old Mangiapane put up.

Was/ is mangiapane a 2nd liner or a really good 3rd liner? I think the latter but I can see some argument for the former.

Flashes of elite skill arent really enough in the nhl, its about consistency. I hope Coronato has as good a growth curve as Mangiapane over the next year, but I am not sure I really see more than that, and to me that's not a top line player, but a really good complimentary piece.

As I said ... if you view this season as an aberration then fair enough.

He generates too much for me to believe that.

I'm sold.

[Monahammer]

Coronato actually does seem like a pretty close replica of Cammalleri. A little bigger.

I loved Cammalleri. I like coronato's game. But we still need more elite talent up front. Zary-Coronato to me has the makings of an excellent 2nd line for the future.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Coronato actually does seem like a pretty close replica of Cammalleri. A little bigger.

I loved Cammalleri. I like coronato's game. But we still need more elite talent up front. Zary-Coronato to me has the makings of an excellent 2nd line for the future.

If that is our second line, we are a heckuva team, in my opinion...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

If that is our second line, we are a heckuva team, in my opinion...

Shouldnt that be the goal!

[PepsiFree]

People don’t need to discount what we have in order to make the case that we need to keep building. Wolf is incredible and getting better. Coronato and Zary are both guys that look like easy second liners with first line potential.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

People don’t need to discount what we have in order to make the case that we need to keep building. Wolf is incredible and getting better. Coronato and Zary are both guys that look like easy second liners with first line potential.

Exactly.

Those defending those players aren't saying it's time to stop mining for youth!

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

People don’t need to discount what we have in order to make the case that we need to keep building. Wolf is incredible and getting better. Coronato and Zary are both guys that look like easy second liners with first line potential.

I full expect all 3 to be locked up, together as the new "core" if you will.
The team will be built around these guys, with hopefully Zayne joining as early as next year.

[stemit14]

Would love to see Coronato and Zary on the same line. Love how the vets have been helping them develop (Kadri for Zary last year; Backlund and Coleman for Coronato this year) but I think Zary and Coronato could really complement each other. I do think playing with Coleman and Backlund can sometimes be limiting for Coronato’s scoring at this point. While both play great defensively and go hard to the net, neither seem to generate scoring chances as well as Zary.

[CFO]

If the Flames as a whole stay the same BUT a guy like Parekh can come in 2-3 years and be a legit offensive D and PP threat, this team will be a ton better.

The Flames are lacking that top skilled D that makes forwards better. Gives them chances etc.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I view Coronato as a 2nd line player today. I believe he is growing into a top line player. If - or when - he reaches that, that's a different argument. He has been incredibly impressive alongside Backlund and Coleman. This kid is going to move up the lineup, and you have to pencil him as a top 6 winger. In a perfect world, you get an even better one that pushes Coronato down to the 2nd line (so he plays behind a 50 goal scorer). However, 30 goals on the top line is good production, and he looks like he can get there.



Zary is a bit more cloudy for me. He certainly has the skills to make me believe he is a top 6 C. I would classify him more as a "middle C" - 2nd/3rd line. This may be sleeping on him a little bit - maybe he does develop into a top-line C - at least a passable one that gets a PPG and generates his own offence. Lindholm - IMO - wasn't really that as he didn't generate his own offence enough, for example. Zary is your more prototypical playmaking center. Again, it would be great if the Flames draft/trade for/develop 2 centers that are better than Zary will be, but I feel comfortable in him becoming a good 2nd line center.





Pelletier is looking more and more like a middle-six winger, but one that plays in all-situations, and that's good too. Lots of hustle, speed, ability to make plays at speed, and way better defensively than you would expect him to be. Plus he is a glue-guy, and you need guys like these to keep the room tight and avoid it going Canuck.



Pospisil is better than his numbers show. I think he has been a bit snake-bitten, and trying to play C has maybe thrown him off his game, or chipped away at his confidence a little? Either way, I would classify him as a bottom-6 forward. I do love what he adds to the culture, but in a vastly different way than Pelletier. Weegar spoke about how much he hated him at first because the way he plays the game is how he practices, but he learned to love him and respect him for it. I am sure he gets other guys more engaged in practices, and he certainly has helped Honzek's off-season training too. I know people worry about his concussion issues, but he is one guy I really hate to trade simply because of what he seems to add to this group.


Still more to come, but this is a great start to the turnover. Coronato in particular has been so good this season all over the ice. Really exceeded my expectations with his overall play. He is playing with a lot of swagger.

[Jason14h]

Zary and Coronato are (should end up being) high end line 2 guys on a cup contending team (Or elite 3rd line, 2B shutdown line)

The problem is the Flames are missing 3 top line forwards in the pipeline to be an elite team.

And top line forwards don't grow on trees.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I used to think like you, but the kid that's only 22, and has exceeded my expectations every single time. I really didn't like his stride and strength on his skates, this season his weakness became a strength. He used to lose 80% of the 50/50 battles he was in, now he wins more than he losses. He has matured his game quite a bit.

I think he can become a top line player if he starts getting lost in coverage a little better, and/or makes his shot even more deceptive. My point is that it's way too early to set a ceiling on a guy like Coronato that so far has looked vastly improved after each off-season.

Agree.

Just look at Coronato year over year... his ability to get a shot off, his board battles, his forecheck, his straight line skating, his edges have all improved.

If I had to nitpick, my only fear is that he doesn't have elite composure around the net (yet?). Stills seems to get a bit rushed/nervous and occasionally misses high grade chances. I think this year he has developed an understanding of what to do in order to get his shot off, so hopefully the maturation process will lead him to better recognize that he has more time in certain situations than it may seem.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Exactly.

Those defending those players aren't saying it's time to stop mining for youth!

Exactly this. Conroy should continue his plan of ensuring that he does not lose assets for nothing and when he trades those assets he acquires young assets in return. That is what he has done on every trade so far and I see no evidence that he will deviate from that in the near term. Current assets over the next 15 months that I think he will likely trade for future young assets include

Expire this year (all are probably hard to trade)
Vladar (probably hard to trade)
Kuzmenko (probably hard to trade)
Rooney
Barrie
Hanley

Expire next year
Rasmus (I feel like he is likely to trade him after this season sometime)
Bean (don't think there is a market)
Miromanov (don't think there is a market)
Backlund (could be traded if they want to)
Lomberg (could be traded if they want to)
Pospisil (could easily see him being traded if there is a good deal on the table).

Conroy knows what he is doing and he knows what he has in the system. I think he knows that he realistically has at least 2 dmen in his current system that could be top 4 dmen by 2028. I think he knows that he has at least 2 wingers who are not in the NHL who could be top 9 forwards in the NHL in the next 3 years (along with Coronato, Huberdeau, Coleman, Pelletier at the NHL level now that perform that role). He has no centers in the pipeline that could realistically be top 3 line centers in the NHL (or even possibly NHL centers) in the system. But if Yegor and Zary are centers and Kadri is here long term he may be able to survive that.

I think what is in the system will inform him on what he does in the future on trades. Hunter, Mews, Parekh provide incentives to trade Rasmus. Lack of centers means that he likely keeps Kadri. Suniev, Honzek, Battaglia, Gridin, Basha, Keirns, Stromgren possibly makes Pospisil expendable.

Just the way I see it.

[dissentowner]

I just don't see Conroy trading Rasmus unless he asks for the moon.