2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jay Random]

Wasn't there a report that the main disagreement is not about dollars or term, but signing bonus and movement clauses?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I think he can average a ~0.9ppg pace until he's 36/37. By that point, a $9.5M AAV will be a much smaller % of the cap and he'll still be a great #2C.
We said the same exact thing about Backlund when he signed his 6year deal in 2018. There was a thought around here that he'd drop off toward the end of the deal and that 5.35M for a 34 and 35yo Backlund was too much. He put up career high in points last season and I imagine will hover around that 0.55PPG range, as he's always done, for the next 3years. I see Lindholm as no different.

I go back to the point of, if we don't sign Lindholm, who do we see as his replacement?

Same thing happened with Giordano - Norris Trophy in year 4 or his 6 year deal that was going to awful, according to some

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Wasn't there a report that the main disagreement is not about dollars or term, but signing bonus and movement clauses?

The impression I got is the Flames want to be able to at least buy the contract out if they need to and bonuses kind of hinder that.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

I think he can average a ~0.9ppg pace until he's 36/37. By that point, a $9.5M AAV will be a much smaller % of the cap and he'll still be a great #2C.
We said the same exact thing about Backlund when he signed his 6year deal in 2018. There was a thought around here that he'd drop off toward the end of the deal and that 5.35M for a 34 and 35yo Backlund was too much. He put up career high in points last season and I imagine will hover around that 0.55PPG range, as he's always done, for the next 3years. I see Lindholm as no different.

I go back to the point of, if we don't sign Lindholm, who do we see as his replacement?

I was simply saying that he wasn’t likely going to increase his production as he ages, much less saying it is highly likely.

Whether the flames should do it or not is a different question.

[Poe969]

The Lindholm contract situation reminds me of the Burke not trading Cammilari situation. Burke didn't just give Cammy away because he wanted to be tough to deal with and not a pushover, it helped him with deals moving forward in the long run. If Connie gives Lindholm $10M then every player the Flames want to sign is going to bend them over the barrel.

[CFO]

Lindholm is not a driver. I find him to be a coaster. I would give him anything higher then $6mm

Move on from him.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by CFO

Lindholm is not a driver. I find him to be a coaster. I would give him anything higher then $6mm

Move on from him.

Well that's that then!

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I had reported months ago that the Lindholm camps ask was 9.5 x 8 years. They have not budged any off that ask as far as I have been told.

If that’s still the case, then I hope we get a killer return for Lindy with 50% retained. Get a young player, top prospect, and a 1st.

I just don’t think Lindy is the guy to commit to.

[Hackey]

Lindholm holds all the leverage. If the Flames are dead set on competing now he is their only chance at being a playoff team. They're a coin flip to make it with him. Without him I'm not sure what their direction is.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Haven't been very impressed with Lindholm since his linemates moved on.

Depends on how the season goes but if you can get hauls for him and Hanifin, this is a convenient and tempting off-ramp from the prospect of being a wasteland for overpaid vets.

Hopefully the year makes their decision abundantly clear, one way or the other.

[Samonadreau]

Lindholm @ 9.5, no thanks. Problem with Lindy @9.5 is he's good enough to be a 1st line center on 'a' team. But hes not a superstar that will be a top center in the league. I know those players make 10+, but 9.5 is almost there and its tough to win a cup with the '20th best center' in the league as your 1C.

Are the Flames better with Lindholm than without, of course but if the Flames lock in at 9.5 with Lindholm they better really think this roster can win a cup in the next 3 seasons. Because then you will have a 32 yo Lindholm, 36 yo Kadri and 34 yo Huberdeau making a combined 27M and all still locked in for more seasons.

Loved the Backlund deal but the Lindy deal will change the future of the team and almost needs to be team friendly, which it likely wont. Its a tough one.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Lindholm holds all the leverage. If the Flames are dead set on competing now he is their only chance at being a playoff team. They're a coin flip to make it with him. Without him I'm not sure what their direction is.

I disagree with this. There will be a lot of quality centers in this offseason. Free agent C: Scheifele, Reinhart(RW/C), Stephenson, Duchene(RW/C), Novak.

Kadri looks great so far in the preseason, we could target a top line RW to play with Kadri and Huberdeau: Nylander, Guentzel, Tarasenko, Debrusk, Arvidsson, Marchessault.

There's also the trade route for centers: Couture, Miller, O'Reilly, Bennett, Strome, Schenn, and Kuznetsov might all be available next offseason depending on the direction their teams go. A lot of those options are not ideal, but some of them might click with Huberdeau better than Lindholm.

My point is that the Flames have options. $31M in cap space give management lots of options if one player or another decides to test free agency.

[Nelson]

It’s interesting that the most popular choice in the poll is lose in the first or second round, and the second most popular choice is miss the playoffs, but the fans on this forum seem resolute that the team should re-sign Lindholm for around 8 years and 8.5 million per year. That seems like a really risky strategy given the other players and contracts.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Lindholm holds all the leverage. If the Flames are dead set on competing now he is their only chance at being a playoff team. They're a coin flip to make it with him. Without him I'm not sure what their direction is.

I don’t think it’s as simple as you’re making it out to be.

Does Lindholm have leverage? Yes, he does. Does he have all the leverage? No, he doesn’t.

First of all, the Flames are the only team that can offer him an 8 year deal. And with that likely comes the most money. If he doesn’t resign, it’s likely he doesn’t get the same total amount of dollars elsewhere. Also, what if he puts up another 60-ish point season this year? What team is going to be offering him the reported $8.5-9.0M annually after that? Columbus? Maybe? The deal on the table right now might be the best he’ll get. If he chooses not to sign it, he’s taking considerable financial risk. Look no further the John Klinberg in Dallas. He didn’t sign a big extension in Dallas and it’s been an unmitigated financial disaster for him since. Gaudreau left $15M on the table.

Secondly, as pointed out by gvitaly, there will be other C’s available on the market and only so many landing spots. If Lindholm does hit the market is he itching to sign in Winnipeg? Sure there may be other more appealing local’s, but those spots are going to be in demand from a players POV. If Lindholm wants to play in Boston, for example, and so does Stephenson, advantage Boston. Which player is willing to take less term and money? Going back to Gaudreau, can’t believe when he hit the market Columbus was his first choice.

Lastly, like Backlund, Lindholm is going to have to reconcile how comfortable he and his wife are in Calgary. Do they like living here? Do they like the team? WhT about his teammates? Do they like how they’re treated and direction of the organization? These questions matter, a lot. As it has been said by others, ‘don’t F with happy’.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Nelson

It’s interesting that the most popular choice in the poll is lose in the first or second round, and the second most popular choice is miss the playoffs, but the fans on this forum seem resolute that the team should re-sign Lindholm for around 8 years and 8.5 million per year. That seems like a really risky strategy given the other players and contracts.

I think it’s more that people on this forum know the Flames will re-sign Lindholm given the chance. Expecting them to pivot to a rebuild by choice will lead to more frustration than anything.

[GioforPM]

Lindholm doesn’t hold all the leverage. He’s taking a real risk that his market value nosedives and he will have rejected the best offer from Calgary.

[Tkachukwagon]

Sens will be waiving RHD Lassi Thomson today.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/lassi-thomson/

Offensive right-handed shot defenseman with top-four upside. Very good skater with excellent compete level. Has a great shot from the blue line. Needs to work on his defensive game.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Lindholm doesn’t hold all the leverage. He’s taking a real risk that his market value nosedives and he will have rejected the best offer from Calgary.

I agree. I just hope they trade him earlier than later if he does want out

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I think it’s more that people on this forum know the Flames will re-sign Lindholm given the chance. Expecting them to pivot to a rebuild by choice will lead to more frustration than anything.

I agree. They’re not rebuilding. I accept that too. As a fan, I just have to cheer for them to wildly exceed my expectations because the Flames appear to be all in on the current group. At the same time, I hope the Flames draw the line at trading any picks or prospects or young players to buttress the current group. (I don’t think they will. So far, Conroy has been extremely patient, and he’s emphasized the value of picks and young players. So that’s good.)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Sens will be waiving RHD Lassi Thomson today.

https://dobberprospects.com/player/lassi-thomson/

My guess he is claimed,