2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

To CGY;
Panarin


To CBJ;
1st
Dube
Stone

Johnny - Mony - Lindy
Tkachuk - Backlund - Panarin
Bennett - Janko - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Hathaway

PP1
Johnny - Mony - Panarin
Giordano - Lindholm

PP2
Tkachuk - Janko - Bennett
Brodie - Andersson

Thoughts?

Okay there have been a LOT of lopsided absurd / ridiculous proposals on this site and lately they seem to be jumping more and more sharks. We seem to be getting into not even NHL 19 territory but just placing names randomly on a sheet and then blindfolding yourself and chucking the darts at it.

You are in charge of Columbus. Do you make that trade?

Be honest now.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fire

To be honest that would make me dread the upcoming playoffs if the Flames made that kind of deal. Anything less than a Stanley Cup appearance would make that a horrible trade. I'm a firm believer that Dube is going to be a good middle 6 player in the NHL.

Our first round pick will highly probably never play in the NHL consistently and Dube is enormously overrated on this site. But for the hell of it even if you’re right, which is improbable, are you aware of what Panarin is?

Here are people Panarin is tied in points with: Marchand, Ovechkin, Tkachuk, Aho.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat and I loathe giving up our first. Stone is replaceable by multiple people and Dube is a fringe NHLer.

You’re talking about acquiring a bonafide NHL (super?) star. Like... holy smokes. Really? I borderline am wondering if you’re drunk here.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Our first round pick will highly probably never play in the NHL consistently and Dube is enormously overrated on this site. But for the hell of it even if you’re right, which is improbable, are you aware of what Panarin is?

Here are people Panarin is tied in points with: Marchand, Ovechkin, Tkachuk, Aho.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat and I loathe giving up our first. Stone is replaceable by multiple people and Dube is a fringe NHLer.

You’re talking about acquiring a bonafide NHL (super?) star. Like... holy smokes. Really? I borderline am wondering if you’re drunk here.

Hmmm....I agree with most of this post, but calling Dube a fringe NHLer is a little early. He is a prospect who could turns out to fringe or he could turns out to be a star. I agree, Panarin is a star right now, however, we are essentially giving up for a rental. We might not be able to sign him, so the poster wasn't wrong to say that unless we win the cup, it's a lot to give up for.

Looking back in history, we gave up Hull who turns to be pretty damn good. Betcha at the time, people wouldn't know if he'll turn out good or not. But we won the cup so everything was ok.

Oh another player management thought was "fringe" NHLer and cut loose who went to TB and turned out pretty damn good as well.

[bettercallbettman]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Our first round pick will highly probably never play in the NHL consistently and Dube is enormously overrated on this site. But for the hell of it even if you’re right, which is improbable, are you aware of what Panarin is?

Here are people Panarin is tied in points with: Marchand, Ovechkin, Tkachuk, Aho.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat and I loathe giving up our first. Stone is replaceable by multiple people and Dube is a fringe NHLer.

You’re talking about acquiring a bonafide NHL (super?) star. Like... holy smokes. Really? I borderline am wondering if you’re drunk here.

Agreed. Panarin would be filthy

[FightinSioux]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Our first round pick will highly probably never play in the NHL consistently and Dube is enormously overrated on this site. But for the hell of it even if you’re right, which is improbable, are you aware of what Panarin is?

Here are people Panarin is tied in points with: Marchand, Ovechkin, Tkachuk, Aho.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat and I loathe giving up our first. Stone is replaceable by multiple people and Dube is a fringe NHLer.

You’re talking about acquiring a bonafide NHL (super?) star. Like... holy smokes. Really? I borderline am wondering if you’re drunk here.

If that was the only offer Columbus receives...I would accept it. Not because I’m a flames homer ... but don’t get me wrong I would love to see a superstar added to this roster but simply because Panarin could walk at the end of the year and I’m left with nothing. As a GM you don’t want to be left with anything you want something...you as a GM don’t want to be known as the guy who let someone go for nothing....and a late first rounder,, dube and stone is better than the alternative.

[jonkaupp]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Our first round pick will highly probably never play in the NHL consistently and Dube is enormously overrated on this site. But for the hell of it even if you’re right, which is improbable, are you aware of what Panarin is?

Here are people Panarin is tied in points with: Marchand, Ovechkin, Tkachuk, Aho.

I would do that trade in a heartbeat and I loathe giving up our first. Stone is replaceable by multiple people and Dube is a fringe NHLer.

You’re talking about acquiring a bonafide NHL (super?) star. Like... holy smokes. Really? I borderline am wondering if you’re drunk here.

While I agree with your premise, isn’t acquiring Panarin almost universally viewed as a rental by almost any team that looks to acquire him? All indications are that not only is he likely not signing in Columbus, but he’s not even interested in negotiating with anyone until free agency which ostensibly means he’s going either the high bidder or somewhere that he really wants to be (speculation is east coast). I don’t believe that the offers for Panarin will be very enticing given the situation. That all said, I don’t know why Columbus would deal him while they’re still in the playoff hunt unless the lffer was really good. But if they slide and are firmly out of the race by the deadline then I think they have to consider trades like the aforementioned

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by FightinSioux

If that was the only offer Columbus receives...I would accept it. Not because I’m a flames homer ... but don’t get me wrong I would love to see a superstar added to this roster but simply because Panarin could walk at the end of the year and I’m left with nothing. As a GM you don’t want to be left with anything you want something...you as a GM don’t want to be known as the guy who let someone go for nothing....and a late first rounder,, dube and stone is better than the alternative.

You know Columbus is in a playoff spot, right?

Last year the Isles (not in playoffs) held onto Tavares in the hopes they might sneak in and in the hopes they could re-sign him. Neither of which happened, but it tells your fan base and your team that you aren't throwing in the towel.

We see what happens

[Ped]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

You know Columbus is in a playoff spot, right?

Last year the Isles (not in playoffs) held onto Tavares in the hopes they might sneak in and in the hopes they could re-sign him. Neither of which happened, but it tells your fan base and your team that you aren't throwing in the towel.

We see what happens

The difference is, the Isles thought they had a chance at signing Tavares.


Columbus knows they likely don't have a shot at Panarin, so do they risk not winning the Cup and losing both?

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

To CGY;
Panarin


To CBJ;
1st
Dube
Stone

Johnny - Mony - Lindy
Tkachuk - Backlund - Panarin
Bennett - Janko - Neal
Frolik - Ryan - Hathaway

PP1
Johnny - Mony - Panarin
Giordano - Lindholm

PP2
Tkachuk - Janko - Bennett
Brodie - Andersson

Thoughts?

LOL thoughts are you would have to have a gun pointed at Columbus GM head for him to do that trade

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

Id say Dube is a bit more than a mid range prospect. CBJ might want a skilled NHL ready player though for their playoff run, in which case I dont think flames have anyone theyd be willing to trade

Dube is a mid level prospect. He doesn't make top 50 lists or he's right around that number 50 spot. Pretty much a definition of a mid level prospect.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Hmmm....I agree with most of this post, but calling Dube a fringe NHLer is a little early. He is a prospect who could turns out to fringe or he could turns out to be a star. I agree, Panarin is a star right now, however, we are essentially giving up for a rental. We might not be able to sign him, so the poster wasn't wrong to say that unless we win the cup, it's a lot to give up for.

Looking back in history, we gave up Hull who turns to be pretty damn good. Betcha at the time, people wouldn't know if he'll turn out good or not. But we won the cup so everything was ok.

Oh another player management thought was "fringe" NHLer and cut loose who went to TB and turned out pretty damn good as well.

Simply not true. Fletcher acknowledged multiple times that the Flames knew Hull was going to be something special...and in my opinion, much more special than Dube will ever be.

Don't you think winning the Cup is special? Like isn't winning the Cup as special as it gets in the NHL?

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Hmmm....I agree with most of this post, but calling Dube a fringe NHLer is a little early. He is a prospect who could turns out to fringe or he could turns out to be a star. I agree, Panarin is a star right now, however, we are essentially giving up for a rental. We might not be able to sign him, so the poster wasn't wrong to say that unless we win the cup, it's a lot to give up for.

Looking back in history, we gave up Hull who turns to be pretty damn good. Betcha at the time, people wouldn't know if he'll turn out good or not. But we won the cup so everything was ok.

Oh another player management thought was "fringe" NHLer and cut loose who went to TB and turned out pretty damn good as well.

We knew HULL was gonna be good. I lived through the HULL trade he was my favorite player on the Flames at that time. Everyone loved Nieuwendyk and a few of us loved Hull. Brett Hull in his rookie season with Calgary when traded had 26 goals in 52 games. A 40 goal pace in his rookie season. Now we didn't know Hull was gonna be a 70+ & 80+ goal scorer, Hart Trophy etc but we knew he was very capable of being a 40/50 goal scorer and 80/90 point guy in his prime.

I don't know if "everything was ok" after we traded Hull though. We didn't win the Stanley Cup the year we traded Hull. It was the year after that. Wamsley was a back up and didn't play a role in the playoffs of us winning the Cup. Ramage spent 2 years I believe with us and was a good playoff performer the Cup year but he could have been had for less or someone else comparable. We owned St Louis on many trades for a few years of the 80s (Gilmour, Joey Mullen) until that Hull trade and he became one of the best Hockey players to ever live. Don't kid yourself though, we knew Hull would be good when we traded him.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The Hull comparison doesn't work. It's all irrelevant because it was a different time and a different fiscal model for the league. Dube is a very important piece for the Flames because he is young cost controlled player in a league where cost controlled players that can contribute are the lifeblood to a team with a number of big salaries. I'm not saying Dube is untouchable, but the Flames really need a significant piece to push them over the top, and that piece will likely have to come with term that fits in the budget. Teams that trade away their best prospects and top picks are teams with very small windows. I hope Treliving keeps an eye on sustainability as he chases the cup.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Okay there have been a LOT of lopsided absurd / ridiculous proposals on this site and lately they seem to be jumping more and more sharks. We seem to be getting into not even NHL 19 territory but just placing names randomly on a sheet and then blindfolding yourself and chucking the darts at it.

You are in charge of Columbus. Do you make that trade?

Be honest now.

If thats the best offer out there maybe you take it.

Would you rather lose him for free? Be honest.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by goflamesgo18

If thats the best offer out there maybe you take it.

Would you rather lose him for free? Be honest.

Colombus has NEVER won a playoff series.

If Panarin staying gives them a better shot to do so over whatever return CBJ has been offered, (never mind just make it in) then yes that option may become the better one for that fan base and for Kekalainen to keep his job.

[Toonage]

Panarin helps win them games. Bob, to this point, not as much. Bob also has a weak playoff record.

Trade Bob, keep Bread.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Colombus has NEVER won a playoff series.

If Panarin staying gives them a better shot to do so over whatever return CBJ has been offered, (never mind just make it in) then yes that option may become the better one for that fan base and for Kekalainen to keep his job.

Fair enough. My original post is the most I would give up for Panarin as a rental if I were BT. Probably not enough from CBJ perspective, which is fine. Move onto someone cheaper or stand pat.

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

LOL thoughts are you would have to have a gun pointed at Columbus GM head for him to do that trade

Would you offer more if you were BT?

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Panarin helps win them games. Bob, to this point, not as much. Bob also has a weak playoff record.

Trade Bob, keep Bread.

Its really hard to find another #1 goalie, if they trade Bob they should move Panarin as well...

As they will need a #1 to have any success in the playoffs...

My view, Jackets trade neither of them....

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by TheOnlyBilko

Dube is a mid level prospect. He doesn't make top 50 lists or he's right around that number 50 spot. Pretty much a definition of a mid level prospect.

Captained team Canada to a gold medal at world juniors, point per game in his rookie year (20 years old) in AHL.

Pretty much the definition of above average prospect...