2021 NHL Draft

[Tkachukwagon]

Byron Bader speculates that the Kings will take Wallstedt with the 8th pick

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400525480239931393

https://twitter.com/user/status/1400525483037532162

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TeWjXkh-B0
Graviteh Youtube channel usually has some pretty good stuff.
He has Guenther falling to us at 12

Just watched this through- it's a pretty off the wall listing lol. Has Chayka going 13, A czech dman not on my radar at all going to van at 9 (love it lol) and then Guenther falling to us. Only halfway through. Wallstedt also goes top 5.

Also, calls Guenther undersized when he's listed pretty much everywhere at 6'1 180...

[ForeverFlameFan]

Don’t the Kings have Petersen?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I know nothing about these players but 100% plan to be very angry if the Flames don't end up picking the player who is falling in the draft based on projections.

It's funny ... years ago I wrote an article for the forecaster that analyzed players taken earlier than their projection and later than their projection.

Huge warning sign (at that time) for falling players.

The trend was falling for a reason with the Oilers being the league's biggest culprit of dropping their own list and taking the falling player year after year.

Could easily have changed, but sometimes players fall for a good reason.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's funny ... years ago I wrote an article for the forecaster that analyzed players taken earlier than their projection and later than their projection.

Huge warning sign (at that time) for falling players.

The trend was falling for a reason with the Oilers being the league's biggest culprit of dropping their own list and taking the falling player year after year.

Could easily have changed, but sometimes players fall for a good reason.

Anecdotally, it seems like many player who fell ended up being good value picks: Saad, Benn, Fowler, Forsberg, Mantha, Barzal, Hamilton come to mind.
Although we probably just remember them because they're good.

A lot of guys like Murphy, Kylington, Shinkaruk, Zack Phillips and Nichushkin fell and then didn't end up accomplishing much. I'm sure there's many more.

Other guys like DeAngelo and Ho-Sang fall for personality reasons, and ends up coming back to bite them eventually.

Matthew Tkachuk and Connor Zary both fell a bit, I was happy with those picks. Kekäläinen should get credit for passing on Puljujärvi, who was pretty much the consensus #3.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by the_only_turek_fan

You just sold me on Sillinger and now you are saying this!

Lol, sorry about that. For the record, I would be just as happy getting Sillinger as I would be with just about anyone in our range. He has some blue-chip qualities.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Chase Stillman is an underrated name if you think it through.

Underrated player too!

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I don't know if this is fair to Wallstedt, but I keep comparing him to Yaroslav Askarov, who went 11th last year.

It just doesn't seem like Wallstedt is anywhere near as good as Askarov. There aren't a ton of elite Swedish goalies these days. It seem like they're due, but we'll have to see.

Stylistically, Wallstedt is the more technical goalie-relying on positioning. Askarov is more athletic relying more on reflexes. I would normally say that Askarov is the better goalie, but he’s looked iffy at best in international play. Wallstedt has a history of playing at levels way ahead of his age group, and he excels. He played this year in the men’s league, the SHL, and acquitted himself well. To be fair, Askarov has done the same in the KHL. Perhaps the edge would still go to Askarov.

[Canada 02]

https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2021-n...nd/c-325164100

two mock drafts at NHL.com have the Flames selecting Sillinger or Coronato

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2021-n...nd/c-325164100

two mock drafts at NHL.com have the Flames selecting Sillinger or Coronato

Sillinger is a stud. I watched him when he was on the same spring team as my neighbour here in Regina. He lives or used to live 10 doors down from me.

The kids work ethic is also insane. Every summer, every minute of the day, if he's not on the ice or gym, he's skating on his roller blades and bagging himself.

From what I met of him when he was 15, he's a pretty good kid w a good head on his shoulders. He wants it the most out of his whole family too.

We'd be fortunate to take him IMO.

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[dammage79]

I scour a lot of mock drafts and Sillinger is consistently a Flames pick.

After that it's Lucius, then Wallstedt, then it's Raty then Lysell with multiples and only one a piece for Lambos and Coronoto as of today.

Truth be told, I feel like Lysell and Sillinger may go earlier, pushing other players down.

My only bold hot take prediction is Kent Johnson is a Canuck draft day. Unless he goes super early too.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I scour a lot of mock drafts and Sillinger is consistently a Flames pick.

After that it's Lucius, then Wallstedt, then it's Raty then Lysell with multiples and only one a piece for Lambos and Coronoto as of today.

Truth be told, I feel like Lysell and Sillinger may go earlier, pushing other players down.

My only bold hot take prediction is Kent Johnson is a Canuck draft day. Unless he goes super early too.

Completely forgot. My neighbour's d partner for 2-3 years was Lambos. That kid would be great too, but I don't think we need D.

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[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bingo

It's funny ... years ago I wrote an article for the forecaster that analyzed players taken earlier than their projection and later than their projection.

Huge warning sign (at that time) for falling players.

The trend was falling for a reason with the Oilers being the league's biggest culprit of dropping their own list and taking the falling player year after year.

Could easily have changed, but sometimes players fall for a good reason.

Totally agree. Generally, they should be trying to predict where the player will be in a couple of years so trajectory means everything. Always avoid the players dropping IMO.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Chase is the son of Corey Stillman. There was a debate here when Stillman was traded away from the Flames and a refrain from a few posters was "you'll never win anything with players like Stillman." Of course Stillman would go on to win two Stanley Cups and the Flames didn't win anything. Good times!

Craig Button actually told me that in an email after I sent him an email complaining about that trade after it was made. I never liked Button but I will give him credit that he actually replied to an irate fan.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Anecdotally, it seems like many player who fell ended up being good value picks: Saad, Benn, Fowler, Forsberg, Mantha, Barzal, Hamilton come to mind.
Although we probably just remember them because they're good.

A lot of guys like Murphy, Kylington, Shinkaruk, Zack Phillips and Nichushkin fell and then didn't end up accomplishing much. I'm sure there's many more.

Other guys like DeAngelo and Ho-Sang fall for personality reasons, and ends up coming back to bite them eventually.

Matthew Tkachuk and Connor Zary both fell a bit, I was happy with those picks. Kekäläinen should get credit for passing on Puljujärvi, who was pretty much the consensus #3.

There are two types of draft fallers here I think.

The guys that are ranked much higher going into the draft but then fall on draft day. These guys tend to be decent value and would cover the names you have in guys like Hamilton, Fowler, Forsberg, Barzal, Couturier, etc (I always wonder if Flames make the Hamilton trade if they know Barzal will be there at that pick)

Then there are the guys that are ranked highly going into their draft season, but then see their value plummet in the season leading up to the draft. IMO these guys tends to be the risky ones, Angelo Esposito, Kylington, Shinkaruk, are a couple of names that come to mind.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There are two types of draft fallers here I think.

The guys that are ranked much higher going into the draft but then fall on draft day. These guys tend to be decent value and would cover the names you have in guys like Hamilton, Fowler, Forsberg, Barzal, Couturier, etc (I always wonder if Flames make the Hamilton trade if they know Barzal will be there at that pick)

Then there are the guys that are ranked highly going into their draft season, but then see their value plummet in the season leading up to the draft. IMO these guys tends to be the risky ones, Angelo Esposito, Kylington, Shinkaruk, are a couple of names that come to mind.

I think Aatu Raty is in that second category

[Sandman]

RHD Scott Morrow,6'2"192lbs (Shattuck St,Mary's, USHS):30gp/8g/40a/48pts,30 PIM. Morrow was second-leading scorer in the Prep School circuit, and first among D-men by 13 points. There was a Scott Morrow who played 4 games for the Flames back in 1994-95 FYI,lol. Scouts wish that Morrow played against tougher competition in the USHL, as High School hockey is a step down. It should be noted though, that Shattuck has a much better program than other schools, and has alumni like Crosby, Keller, Toews, Okposo, and Parise. This year at Shattuck, he averaged 24:48 minutes a night playing in all situations, with over 9 shot attempts per game. Clearly, he benefitted from being generally bigger and faster than the competition-drafting HS players is always a risk, but this kid has an undeniably good toolkit.

Morrow is already a dominating presence at any level with his size and skating-his mobility is elite in all facets, all directions-edgework, agility, and he can turn on a dime. He's one of the finest skaters in the draft. As much as he's head and shoulders above his opponents, his film is undeniable-he can control the pace in all 3 zones, dart in and out of traffic with apparent ease, and break down the other team's defensive play. He has that offensive IQ and vision, and he loves to pinch, or look for seams from the half wall to the slot for a high-danger pass.

Morrow thrives in the neutral zone-he's uber aggressive, and chokes out rushes. He isn't without the puck for long. He doesn't let the play come to him, he attacks and removes time and space. He's effective in entries and exits, and makes good transitional passes. Doesn't drive play through dangerous situations, he will circle and look for another lane. He's an accurate passer, and owns a wide variety of passes he can dole out with proficiency-saucers, slap-passes,no-look, and high-velocity. He also has a dangerous shot that he uses to create havok around the net. In the defensive zone, he works to prevent chances, and is good at forcing attackers to the half-wall and away from high-danger opportunities. He's very aggressive in his board play, and will dish out crosschecks and borderline dirty hits to defend his zone. Blocks shots, and passing lanes well.

Morrow has a dangerous shot, but his mechanics sap some of it's power and accuracy-at this point, it's good for creating offense down low, but he'll need to work at it. Morrow's overall defensive game needs to be tuned-up for the next level-the fact that he's playing at a lower level covers up some of this-although, he was reportedly good defensively in 6 USHL playoff games for Fargo, where he had 0 points and was minus 2. He's prone to turnovers sometimes. His stickhandling gets mixed reviews, but it looks like he carries the puck too far in front of him, and that means the competition at the next level will be able to steal it from him. He has to learn to carry with his hands close to the body, from the hip. He's still fairly raw, and not very battle-tested. Good news is that he's going to North Dakota this fall, and they apparently have a great program for developing players. The biggest comparison he gets is Tyson Barrie. Morrow may go in the late stages of the first round, but I think he might have to wait until the second.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

At this point I'm confused enough to just go for name value.

Owen Power (who can't use more power)?
Jack Peart (he'll beat you like a drum).
Cameron Whynot (because ...).
Shai Buium (I picture a bashful hobo)
Red Savage (nuff said).
Jayden Grubbe (goes to the dirty areas).
William Trudeau (he wins but no one really knows why).
Jeremy Hanzel (he's so hot right now).
Ethan Samson (I hear he's pretty strong).
Zach Biggar (Chara was big but Zach is...).
Matthew Argentina (don't cry for me).

How's the hair?

[FCAV]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How's the hair?

Here's his game, from our latest Notebook:

William Trudeau is an offensive defenseman that excels in getting the puck out of his zone. In the games I’ve watched from him, his abilities to complete breakout passes and skate with the puck out of his zone were really noticeable. Before getting the puck, he always looks over his shoulder to scan the ice and look for options, habit that helps him quickly move the puck to a teammate. He can also show some creativity on breakout situations. For instance, he will sometimes make a spin-o-rama or work on his edges to send the forechecker the wrong way, and even though he might miss on some occasions, he does these types of moves with a high level of confidence which is something that I like for an offensive defenseman. He can complete passes on both his forehand and backhand. He is also able to use the boards to get the puck to a teammate, or even make lob passes over his opponents to get teammates on breakaways, which he did once.

There's about another 300ish words that continue on here: https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/2021-...-trudeau-more/

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dino7c

How's the hair?

He's just not ready.







Will probably need time in the AHL.