Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Lighting it up could gain him $3 mil too. Flames cave in if he has a huge tourney too imo

I think it's safe to say that the risk-reward is heavily skewed to the risk side.

As a good player, he'll get paid. Thinking he can up his value with a good tourney is playing with fire.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I would be shocked if Gaudreau's performance in this tournament has any bearing on his contract negotiations, good bad or otherwise.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think there is nothing but upside for Johnny in this tournament when not looking at the injury factor.

If he doesn't score a lot of points his agent can blame it on his being on a young team, first time playing against the international best.

If he puts up a bunch of points, that looks great in negotiations.

Naw, he's already pretty much a point a game player in the NHL after two seasons. First of all, it's a short tournament that won't be weighted as much as you think in a negotiation and secondly he'd have to absolutely dominate for this tournament to cast him in a better light than he's already in.

He's already currently negotiating a contract based on being a star/potential superstar.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I would be shocked if Gaudreau's performance in this tournament has any bearing on his contract negotiations, good bad or otherwise.

Obviously that would be the most likely outcome of him playing without a contract.

But a good agent shouldn't be so glib - ignoring the risk would be asinine.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Disagree. Nothing but upside for Gaudreau minus the injury in this tourney. Be one of the best players at this level, cements and puts an exclamation point on a lot of the things his camp is likely saying he is or will become.

Plays poorly, easily explained away.

[JiriHrdina]

The only relevance the tournament has in terms of contract is injury risk. Nothing that happens in the tourney would be used effectively by either side when it comes to his NHL contract.

[PepsiFree]

I would be literally shocked if Gaudreau's performance in a mostly meaningless tournament had any impact at all on contract negotiations.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

What kind of injury is needed to go from 45 mil to 0.

Where did I say the contract offer would go to 0?
He'd literally have to die for that to happen.

Gaudreau's camp loses a lot of negotiating leverage if an injury of any kind happens at this tournament.

It's not something he is going to want on his mind when he's playing in the World Cup, nor is his agent stupid enough to let him go there without a contract. A deal will be signed before that tournament starts.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Where did I say the contract offer would go to 0?
He'd literally have to die for that to happen.

Gaudreau's camp loses a lot of negotiating leverage if an injury of any kind happens at this tournament.

It's not something he is going to want on his mind when he's playing in the World Cup, nor is his agent stupid enough to let him go there without a contract. A deal will be signed before that tournament starts.

Assuming they aren't far apart. What if the flames are low balling him close to $10mil total value of contract? Would it be a bad idea for him to play and play well and leave the Flames 10 days to sign him after the tourney. Ball would be in his court then and the Flames can't afford him holding out either.

Point of saying it won't go from $45 to 0 is the risk isn't that huge unless he breaks his neck or dies. He could get rewarded a lot too by playing and not giving in just before the tourney too. Right now I would assume the Flames know he would prefer not to play with no contract and have no reason to budge right now if they have refused to this far into the summer

I could see Treliving offer around Monahan money and Johnny thinking that 6th in the league in scoring pays more than that. I could see the flames thinking a small forward who lead his team to 4th worst record and plays significantly worse on the road and is not a center isn't worth more than 6.5. I would not be surprised if they are far apart

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Disagree. Nothing but upside for Gaudreau minus the injury in this tourney. Be one of the best players at this level, cements and puts an exclamation point on a lot of the things his camp is likely saying he is or will become.

Plays poorly, easily explained away.

Agreed with this. If he leads the tournament in scoring and leads his team to a world cup, you gotta think that helps to cement him as an elite player deserving of an elite level contract.

[JiriHrdina]

Do you think players or the agents head into negotiations and use world championship performances as some sort of argument for more money? Of course not. This tournaments have zero influence on a players' NHL deal.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

What if the flames are low balling him close to $10mil total value of contract?

I don't think there's much sense in us continuing this discussion.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I could see the flames thinking a small forward who lead his team to 4th worst record and plays significantly worse on the road and is not a center isn't worth more than 6.5. I would not be surprised if they are far apart

If Treliving is really thinking this way than he shouldn't be an NHL GM and I'll honestly believe that killer_carlson was right all along.

[Strange Brew]

It's fair to say that it's not easy coming up with fair value on a 7 or 8 year deal for a guy with only 2 years of pro experience. Maybe not surprising that this has ended up being difficult to get done.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Do you think players or the agents head into negotiations and use world championship performances as some sort of argument for more money? Of course not. This tournaments have zero influence on a players' NHL deal.

Typically, no. But when the argument for paying a player less is based on the risk associated with a small sample size (2 seasons), more data can be helpful.

Adding a strong performance at the World Cup, against the best in the world, would surely help cement the fact that he is indeed an elite player (not that it should be disputed in this case) and should be paid accordingly.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It's the same reason John Scott got that 6M+ contract after scoring two in the All-Star game against the best of the best.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Typically, no. But when the argument for paying a player less is based on the risk associated with a small sample size (2 seasons), more data can be helpful.

Adding a strong performance at the World Cup, against the best in the world, would surely help cement the fact that he is indeed an elite player (not that it should be disputed in this case) and should be paid accordingly.

Honestly no it wouldn't. I think it is 100% irrelevant and any effort to include performance from such a short tournament would be laughed at.
Let's put it the other way, if Johnny struggles in the tourney do you think that means he should be paid less in the NHL?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Typically, no. But when the argument for paying a player less is based on the risk associated with a small sample size (2 seasons), more data can be helpful.

Adding a strong performance at the World Cup, against the best in the world, would surely help cement the fact that he is indeed an elite player (not that it should be disputed in this case) and should be paid accordingly.

I suppose this would be true if there was actually some dispute as to the player's elite status, but I don't believe there is any such dispute between negotiating parties as far as Gaudreau is concerned.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I would be literally shocked if Gaudreau's performance in a mostly meaningless tournament had any impact at all on contract negotiations.

Who is going to shock you?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Who is going to shock you?

The Monkey