[Signing] Flames sign Deryk Engelland (3yrs, $2.9M AAV)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by theoforever

I heard that Jay, changed the staff and added to it.

Yeah well they did change a couple of deck chairs but Todd Button still runs the ship so like I said before you lack substance or a compelling argument.

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by theoforever

I'm very concerned that our GM has picked busts in Engelland, Raymond, Bollig.
He gave up assets and term. It shows what kind of judge of talent he is.
Interesting that Knight is setting AHL on fire, while Shore who many thought should have automatically been given an NHL spot that he didn't earn, has done very little. How competent is our GM?

Was this your post that started the debate?

[theoforever]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah well they did change a couple of deck chairs but Todd Button still runs the ship so like I said before you lack substance or a compelling argument.

Yet Todd's draft recorded is atrocious, except under Jay.

If we assume Todd is good at his job then the main thing that prevented him from showing good results in the past was interference from GM's.

If Treliving is a bad judge of talent, which he showed so far to be, then his interference will render Todd's drafting useless.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Yet Todd's draft recorded is atrocious, except under Jay.

If we assume Todd is good at his job then the main thing that prevented him from showing good results in the past was interference from GM's.

If Treliving is a bad judge of talent, which he showed so far to be, then his interference will render Todd's drafting useless.

I think I'm done in this thread as you are simply making stuff up. Being such a big Feaster fan as you are you should know Feaster let Button make the picks and was largely hands off whereas Darryl Sutter overrided Flames scouts on picks. So if we know that Feaster had little input in the draft and that the man that provided the "good results" in Button is still running the amateur scouting then the Flames are still in good hands no? Oh and you insinuating that Treliving will "interfere" and render Button's drafting as useless is exceptionally weak and baseless. Feel bad for fans like you that simply can't be happy when the team is exceeding expectations having to make up false negatives because your hero Jay Feaster got a pink slip.

[theoforever]

Taking your toys and running away?
Fact Todd's recored is only good under Jay. No need to give Jay credit, Todd did the work, ok fine. Trelliving has made some weak moves, fact. The direction of drafting has already changed, let's hope in the right direction. We will see.
I like the coach and the young talent and the season so far, but that doesn't mean I have to like all the moves made by Trelliving. Nothing wrong with that, or is there?

[GioforPM]

Who did Treliving help draft in Phoenix? Assuming that was part of his job, Wheeler, Winnick, Hanzal, Yandle, Turris, Boedker, Ekman-Larsson, Domi.

Not bad, not great IMO.

That said, I like what he has to say about player development, and if we assume Todd Button will continue to do good work, why would we assume Treliving will override him?

[Phanuthier]

I personally find Treliving to be humble and listens to his staff, from the interviews he gives. He seems very cognitive and patient to listen, learn and adapt.... I do not see a lot of arrogance that would make him override Tod Button or other staff. It was pointed out by Duhatchuk/Freidman (can't remember which) that its quite rare for a GM to extend a previous managements coach, as GM's like to bring in "their guy" but Treliving built a great working relationship with Hartley.

We will see I guess, but at the moment, I don't buy the fear mongering.

[neo45]

Wrong thread sorry

[Lumby Lager]

Originally Posted by Lumby Lager

Was this your post that started the debate?

Yes I think you started the debate by questioning the GM's ability to do his job because he has a poor judge of talent.

You based your argument on three minor signings and the trade of 1 mid range prospect for an AHL All Star ( using a 3 game sample )


When you get called out, instead of saying " follow the exchange " how about you just answer the questions and debate with strong facts.

Cheers

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Taking your toys and running away?
Fact Todd's recored is only good under Jay. No need to give Jay credit, Todd did the work, ok fine. Trelliving has made some weak moves, fact. The direction of drafting has already changed, let's hope in the right direction. We will see.
I like the coach and the young talent and the season so far, but that doesn't mean I have to like all the moves made by Trelliving. Nothing wrong with that, or is there?

Treliving also locked up Brodie long term, signed Hiller, which was a positive (especially at the season's start, but even now name a better FA goalie signing possible for Calgary), re-signed Hartley, drafted Bennett (probably a no-brainer). I think he's managed the roster well.

We will see if the other lower 2014 draft picks work out, of if Shore will work out. But Treliving's move have all been low risk, high reward. As they should be at this point.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Bollig, Engeland, Raymond...
One good move, Hiller.
Pattern. Trelliving's record is nothing spectacular so far.
If you give a break to an inexperienced GM as learning on the job, then moves like we have seen in the past from our GM's can never be scrutinized.

Bollig was a 4th liner in Chicago and he's a 4th liner with the Flames. Engelland is a 6th/7th defenseman and still is with the Flames. What were you expecting from the addition of depth players?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Fire

Bollig was a 4th liner in Chicago and he's a 4th liner with the Flames. Engelland is a 6th/7th defenseman and still is with the Flames. What were you expecting from the addition of depth players?

Hart/Norris or bust.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by codynw

Hart/Norris or bust.

That's completely unrealistic!!! I didn't expect either of them to win individual trophies like that......I just wanted them to help the team win the presidents trophy and the Stanley Cup....in January....and then become part time management....and solve world hunger...

[theoforever]

I agree that Trelliving's roster management has been good and in the spirit of always earned...... He does seem like a nice guy, but so did the other Buttun and Riser too.

His additions, underwhelming at best. To address Bollig, our GM thought the guy is a 3rd liner and gave a 3rd. Gave bunch of term to 7th dman. Not great.

Like I said before, Hiller was a good addition.

Anyway, nice to see Wolf coming up and Spoon, not to mentioned Sven, a chance to replace the 3 problems. Good stuff. Trelliving seems open minded.

Resigning the coach was a no brainer, the replacement wouldn't gotten as much as Hartley does. Getting rid of this coach could have been a carrier killer.

[gunnner]

I would like to see Dmitry Ryabkin get a shot on D this yr. I think he is ready.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by theoforever

If the chances are so small, we should scrap amateur scouting staff.
Why bother drafting other than in the first round, let's use Oiler formula for success, we should have followed Sabres blueprint.

Your pretty irrational. Not everything is black and white.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by theoforever

Yes, some were. Poirier over Skunkaruk, smarter than the other guys in the room for going off the imaginery "board". Failure to sign Erixon.
Wideman, a 6-7 dman.
No credit for Monahan as it was an obvious pick........
Johnny is too small

Jay said the scouts were in control of the draft. For the most part they drafted off the scouts list. Todd Button was responsible for the Gaudreau pick.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...624/story.html

[btimbit]

Jesus, a few low risk signings haven't gone great and people are upset with a GM we haven't even had for a year? Yeesh

[Buff]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Jesus, a few low risk signings haven't gone great and people are upset with a GM we haven't even had for a year? Yeesh

I also find it funny that Button only had good drafts under Feaster. I guess that means 7 months is ample time to judge and dismiss the 2014 draft class?

[Mister Yamoto]

Engelland, Diaz and Potter is a big upgrade on Butler, O'Brien and Smith. And the positive results are showing on the ice.

Relax. The Flames rebuild isn't going to live or die based on how well Engelland and Bolig perform. As a whole, this is easily the best D the Flames have iced in years.