[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Mike Vernon

Exciting as in bottom 5 for the next 5 years. Ya I cant wait.

How were the last 3-4 years for you?Would you rather we keep those good times rolling?

[Karl Racki]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What? That is not only ridiculous but complete nonsense.

Oh, my mistake then.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Feaster made a very interesting point in his interview on 960.

He basically said that this offseason there will be a lot of teams looking to get under the cap next season and with all the cap space the Flames will have, it puts them in a good buying position and not only that, but a position of power because every other team will be in desperation mode to get under the cap.

you mean like the way we were in a position of power coming into the deadline because everybody was buyers and we were the only sellers?

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Darkest moment? Exaggerate much?

Tinordi is living for moments like these.

[dino7c]

how many teams were honestly ready to take on 6.68M with the cap coming down?

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

There is always an opportunity. I am starting to feel less and less happy with Feaster though, and I really can't stand who the guy seems personally in the media. I always thought he was a low-down snake in the grass, willing to throw anyone and everyone under the bus in order to make himself look good.

I agreed with everything until the snake in the grass dig. Jay's simply not a good negotiator. He's getting bent over now twice in a row. I think his thought process is more along the lines of, "I came up with this great idea", then when that idea gets shut down, he has no continency and he's left scrambling. At least that's the impression I get. In hindsight, I wish he just said no to Iggy, and the Pens and Bruins, until they gave in with a better prospect. It's a hardball tactic, but I'm sure one of them would have gave in. Iggy would have gone to the Bruins. While it was his choice, I have no doubt at this point he was itching to leave anyway - hence the screwover.

[Frank MetaMusil]

St. Louis just eliminated a threat from the point by adding Bouwmeester.

Unless they can somehow figure out how to make him practice slapshots?

I like the move. Buckle up, Feaster might not be done either.

Feaster owes Hartley a thank you for pumping up Bouw's value as well. No way this trade goes down last season.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by dino7c

how many teams were honestly ready to take on 6.68M with the cap coming down?

How many teams would be fine with a cap hit of $5.6M if the Flames ate $1M?

[Mattman]

Wow way to go Feaster. And to the people that think we should have gotten Rattie or Schawrtz back it's ok. You don't want them ending up like Bartschi. They would have millions of flames fans staring at them to do something. You don't want them cracking under the pressure, which is what Cundari, Agostini and Hanowski will not do. No ones really looking at them to lead this team so now they are given room and freedom to score.
Feaster did good.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by fleury

How many teams would be fine with a cap hit of $5.6M if the Flames ate $1M?

I have no idea, I don't see anyone adding salary for next year...other than this deal

[Incogneto]

I just got home from a movie to see this trade.
I am currently on page 7 of 21 and can't believe how people under estimate the 1st rounders. These are WAY more important part of these deals than the prospects.

I am a big football fan, and in football, they have what they call a 'Draft Value Chart'. Basically when teams are trading picks, they can assign a value to each pick to make sure its a fair deal.

I understand that it does not totally apply to the NHL, but use it as a little bit of a measuring tape:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

For instance, Regher being traded for 2x2nds, both LA picks I believe. those would be about 20th in the round, therefore those picks are worth about 750 pts combined.
Douglas Murray was 2x 2nd rounders, Pits picks, therefore about 600 pts.
In comparison, the pick from the Pens was last 3 picks...lets say 650 pts.
Bouwmeester was a mid-round 1st, worth 1050. HUGE!!!

Keep in mind that those two picks together are worth about as much as the 5th overall pick, if we do decide to trade up.

ok, back to reading page 8....

[browna]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

you mean like the way we were in a position of power coming into the deadline because everybody was buyers and we were the only sellers?

I think that has some merit...the Iginla trade, fine. The Bouwmeester trade I figure we'd get what we got, except instead of one of the two prospects, we'd get a guy with a legitimate shot to play next year...and that the 1st would be guaranteed.

Stan Bowman said today that there aren't the many sellers....so ok Feaster, here you go...you got the two (call it three, Kiprusoff is all but done too) "difficult" contracts out from under you...everything else should go smooth right?

Tanguay, Cammalleri, Glencross, Sarich, Stempniak, Jackman, Comeau etc, at least 3 need to go now, if not more, in this "buyers" market, with no-one else in that list really at a large cap hit that should dissuade anyone, and those players as decent NHL talent, SHOULD COMMAND A PREMIUM, to teams looking to make a push to make the playoffs or to bolster themselves for playoff depth, and to their relative worth, based on Feaster's own logic.

Let's see how he does with the return in the next 40 hours now that his spin spin spin excuses are starting to dwindle in this buyers market. I am not holding my breath.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by browna

I think that has some merit...the Iginla trade, fine. THe Bouwmeester trade I figure we'd get what we got, except instead of one of the two prospect's, we'd get a guy with a legitimate shot to play next year...and that the 1st would be guaranteed.
Stan Bowman said today that there aren't the many sellers.

Ok Feaster, here you go...you got the two (call it three, Kiprusoff is all but done too) "difficult" contracts out from under you...everything else should go smooth right?

Tanguay, Cammalleri, Glencross, Sarich, Stempniak,Jackman, Comeau etc, at least 3 need to go now, if not more, in this "buyers" market, with no-one else in that list really at a large cap hit that should dissuade anyone, and those players as decent NHL talent, SHOULD COMMAND A PREMIUM, to teams looking to make a push to make the playoffs or to bolster themselves for playoff depth, and to their relative worth, based on Feaster's own logic.

Let's see how he does with the return in the next 40 hours now that his excuses are starting to dwindle in this buyers market. I am not holding my breath.

The first is guaranteed just not the year

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by fleury

It goes beyond the two options you offered. A really simple explaination is Feaster is simply not a good negotiator. Maybe he's interested in just being fair to his fellow GM's, but in a sellers market this year, he didn't negotiate a kings random and the Flames management is getting torched because of it.

Maybe he is not a good negotiator, I don't know. I don't consider him a particularly good GM in any event.

But these two trades haven't had much room the way of negotiation, considering the circumstances. It hasn't been seller's market for the Flames. If there one or two potential buyers... there ain't a King's ransom to be had.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Anyone remember Darryl's quote when Bouwmeester was inked to his contract?

"Jay is one of the most complete defenseman in the game, and we are very pleased to have reached an agreement that will make him an important component of the Calgary Flames success," said Sutter. "We identified Jay as the priority player where we were going to focus our money."

[Badger Bob]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

One of CP's darkest hockey-related moments. Absolute vitriol spewed at Peca who was 100% correct. Perfect embodied the fanaticism, the completely unrealistic valuations, the hyper-sensitivity about anything critical of the team.

If Bouwmeester had spent the last 4 years in Edmonton, it's not hard to imagine how much mockery would've been heaped in that direction.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The first is guaranteed just not the year

I mean this year, as in preferring this year. I don't think the Blues make it this year, and while they may not again next year either, would rather just have things accelerated this year in a good draft with a top 10-12 pick.

[GreenLantern2814]

In these deals, you're supposed to get a secondary roster player to offset salary, and with the Blues now having 9 D, don't tell me they couldn't have made something work. We couldn't get Kris Russell?

I don't buy the 'best goalie not in the NHL' line for a second; while we could have a Fasth on our hands, our luck would likely favor a couple Karlssons. I hope I'm wrong, but are we seriously going into next season with Ramo and Berra as our two goalies? I can't see why or how Kiprusoff stays around with things looking the way they are.


The flip side is, at least the organization has recognized how important the draft is, and if we have 3 firsts in the deepest draft in a decade, we picked the right year to learn that lesson. To his credit, Feaster appears to have done a really good job rebuilding the farm system. And maybe we've all undervalued just how immovable some of Sutter's contracts truly were.

I still don't like these last two trades, but if the first rounders pan out, I suppose it's all worth it.

[handgroen]

best case scenario: flames suck this year and next, shrewd picks and some time to let our talent mature and we fight for a spot in 2015 and are a real force in the west for 5 or 6 years afterward

[JazzyFlame]

I miss sutter.