[Trade] Bouwmeester to Blues for conditional 2013 1st, Cundari and goaltender Reto Berra

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'd prefer one that has already been picked by someone else within the last couple years, and has already proven to be a top prospect. I'd rather have a team's Baertschi then a chance at picking another Fata, Kobasew, D. Tkachuk, Kidd, etc etc etc.

Besides, he said he wanted a first round pick AND a top prospect, not a first round pick and two low prospects.

Other team's value those guys more than a 1st round pick. Much easier for people to trade an unknown guy versus a Sven Baertchi or known quantity.

[Caged Great]

People on here have an over estimated valuations of what our guys are worth, so when reality hits they get all disappointed.

Iginla's return in that trade was very similar to Marian Hossa's from the Thrashers Pens trade. Considering Iginla isn't as good as Hossa was at the time, we did relatively well.

All you could've been lucky to get for Bouwmeester was a 3rd rounder after last year, especially with that salary for this year and next. Getting a first, plus a 3rd pairing D-man and Backup or maybe better goalie is a good return.

Prepare to be shocked when Kipper returns less than a 2nd, and Cammalleri returns LA's 1st + a secondary prospect or two from Columbus.

[FanIn80]

One thing we absolutely need to do is package each of the Pittsburgh and St. Louis picks individually for top-fourteen picks. Three shots at winning the lottery!

Cammy and one of the picks for a top-14 pick and another of the prospects Feaster seems to be fond of. Same with Tanguay and the other pick (and something else maybe).

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Jacks

From reading all the bitching on here you might think that Feaster had multiple great offers but he decided to take the worst one.

Thank you.

I don't know if anyone is over the moon with what the Flames have received, in terms of prospects, for Iginla and Bouwmeester, but it really comes down to that.

Did he have better offers and decided to take the worst one?

Feaster may not be guided by the ghost of Sam Pollock, but obviously this is what's out there right now.

All this talk of "at least an "A" prospect and the first and a project and bla bla bla" all sounds well and good, but the other GM's either:

A) weren't offering the dream packages

B) Feaster actively decided to take the worst offer he could find

Which one is more likely?

For Bouwmeester in particular, this is exactly the kind of trade we would have freaked out about a year ago, but it would have been the other way around.

The Flames were on the fringe of the playoffs and if they had dumped a first rounder and two prospects for an overpaid, underachieving defenseman for just a hope of making the playoffs, we would have considered it a disaster.

Now it goes the other way, and Feaster sucks for doing it.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

People on here have an over estimated valuations of what our guys are worth, so when reality hits they get all disappointed.

Iginla's return in that trade was very similar to Marian Hossa's from the Thrashers Pens trade. Considering Iginla isn't as good as Hossa was at the time, we did relatively well.

All you could've been lucky to get for Bouwmeester was a 3rd rounder after last year, especially with that salary for this year and next. Getting a first, plus a 3rd pairing D-man and Backup or maybe better goalie is a good return.

Prepare to be shocked when Kipper returns less than a 2nd, and Cammalleri returns LA's 1st + a secondary prospect or two from Columbus.

Thank goodness for some sanity!

The overvaluation of players we have is nothing short of spectacular on here.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

People on here have an over estimated valuations of what our guys are worth, so when reality hits they get all disappointed.

Iginla's return in that trade was very similar to Marian Hossa's from the Thrashers Pens trade. Considering Iginla isn't as good as Hossa was at the time, we did relatively well.

All you could've been lucky to get for Bouwmeester was a 3rd rounder after last year, especially with that salary for this year and next. Getting a first, plus a 3rd pairing D-man and Backup or maybe better goalie is a good return.

Prepare to be shocked when Kipper returns less than a 2nd, and Cammalleri returns LA's 1st + a secondary prospect or two from Columbus.

Considering what we gave up for Cammalleri I would be absolutely ecstatic for that return from the Jackets. A 1st rounder straight up for Cammalleri would be a steal.

With Kiprusoff I honestly don't know. Kind of surprised teams are even asking about him tbh.

[Mike Vernon]

I think we should trade all of our players for a draft pick. And then trade draft picks for higher draft picks. We will be the envy of all Oiler fans.

[Tinordi]

Not everybody overvalues players, but if you come into threads with a dose of reality you're jumped all over and questioned as to whether you're a true fan.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

How does Feaster get a pass for the mess inherited, when he admitted that he chose the wrong path to take since he took over?

Maybe the mandate was to try to win now while Iggy was under contract. He hasn't been in power that long when you look at the big picture. Ownership may have mandated him to win now and he tried that. When he saw that it wasn't working, he went to ownership and got approval to change course. So he tries a different path and he gets crapped on. He's honest enough to admit it did not work and he's changing course. Think about this - with the mess he inherited, what could have he done differently with the NTC/NMC and salary crunch he walked into? Houdini couldn't have done a better job getting out of the jam he was faced with. He's paying for the sins of past management, give him 5 years and if we are still where we are, fair to call for his head.

[Flame Of Liberty]

I love how people who were laughing at posters demanding a rebuild two years ago are now preaching to the same posters (who are now dissappointed with crappy trades) that they were expecting too much. Priceless.

[Jing]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

People on here have an over estimated valuations of what our guys are worth, so when reality hits they get all disappointed.

Iginla's return in that trade was very similar to Marian Hossa's from the Thrashers Pens trade. Considering Iginla isn't as good as Hossa was at the time, we did relatively well.

All you could've been lucky to get for Bouwmeester was a 3rd rounder after last year, especially with that salary for this year and next. Getting a first, plus a 3rd pairing D-man and Backup or maybe better goalie is a good return.

Prepare to be shocked when Kipper returns less than a 2nd, and Cammalleri returns LA's 1st + a secondary prospect or two from Columbus.

I would be happy with that return for Cammy. As for Kipper, just hoping for a 2nd plus an ok prospect.

[Stay Golden]

1st round pick is good but these 2 shouldn't even be considered prospects.
Feaster Weisbrod and the Flames scouts hard at work. It's like a group of Organ grinder monkeys all sporting little red fez hats clapping their hands in a frenzy

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Not everybody overvalues players, but if you come into threads with a dose of reality you're jumped all over and questioned as to whether you're a true fan.

so true, I tried to warn people that some of the rumors were way off base. This is Jaybo....we got him for free (asset wise) and he has one of the worst contracts in the league

[dino7c]

people are still doing it...Kipper is gonna leave for NOTHING

be happy if we get anything

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Feaster made a very interesting point in his interview on 960.

He basically said that this offseason there will be a lot of teams looking to get under the cap next season and with all the cap space the Flames will have, it puts them in a good buying position and not only that, but a position of power because every other team will be in desperation mode to get under the cap.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

lots of good points

I'm happy with the return we got for Bouwmeester. I know very much hope the Blues make the playoffs this year.

People get worked up and their expectations get way too high. This is a fairly good return for a guy with a bloated contract.

I'm happy that the Flames have three first rounders this coming draft.

I think Bouwmeester eats a lot of minutes but he never once impressed me during his entire stint with the Flames save for a couple of games this season.

These prospects are pretty exciting and this is a very exciting time to be a flames fan.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by fotze

Can't wait until we can get our expectations out of whack for the next dump.

The more I look at this trade, the more I believe a big part of this is we have laid down the gauntlet that we are tanking on purpose. No Bouwmeester assures a bottom 3 pick. The players see what has happened and they aren;t going to sacrifice their body for this season, why would they.

I fear that Feaster now trades one of these picks for a win soon player.

OH yeah, the tank is on. Make no mistake about that.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by fotze

Can't wait until we can get our expectations out of whack for the next dump.

The more I look at this trade, the more I believe a big part of this is we have laid down the gauntlet that we are tanking on purpose. No Bouwmeester assures a bottom 3 pick. The players see what has happened and they aren;t going to sacrifice their body for this season, why would they.

I fear that Feaster now trades one of these picks for a win soon player.

Glencross and St. Louis' first for Clowe! Make it happen, Feaster!

[Fire]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so true, I tried to warn people that some of the rumors were way off base. This is Jaybo....we got him for free (asset wise) and he has one of the worst contracts in the league

I think the Flames traded a 3rd rounder for the negotiation rights, but yes basically free asset wise.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Thank you.

I don't know if anyone is over the moon with what the Flames have received, in terms of prospects, for Iginla and Bouwmeester, but it really comes down to that.

Did he have better offers and decided to take the worst one?

Feaster may not be guided by the ghost of Sam Pollock, but obviously this is what's out there right now.

All this talk of "at least an "A" prospect and the first and a project and bla bla bla" all sounds well and good, but the other GM's either:

A) weren't offering the dream packages

B) Feaster actively decided to take the worst offer he could find

Which one is more likely?

For Bouwmeester in particular, this is exactly the kind of trade we would have freaked out about a year ago, but it would have been the other way around.

The Flames were on the fringe of the playoffs and if they had dumped a first rounder and two prospects for an overpaid, underachieving defenseman for just a hope of making the playoffs, we would have considered it a disaster.

Now it goes the other way, and Feaster sucks for doing it.

It goes beyond the two options you offered. A really simple explaination is Feaster is simply not a good negotiator. Maybe he's interested in just being fair to his fellow GM's, but in a sellers market this year, he didn't negotiate a kings random and the Flames management is getting torched because of it.