2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I love the idea of getting Wennberg. He's a great buy-low candidate who has real offensive and defensive ability, and he's cost-controlled. I mentioned him in here once as another guy who could really "pop," like Lindholm.

I think this is a great idea. One variable is there was a journalist from The Athletic on 960 yesterday, who suggested the CBJ brought in Martin St. Louis to work with Wennberg because Tortorella hadn't been able to get through to him in a long time. On one hand, CBJ has clearly invested a lot in bringing Wennberg along so this suggests he is valuable to them and it would be hard to get him. Conversely, if CBJ feels the Martin St. Louis experiment has failed, then they might view Wennberg as a failure and be willing to ship him out.

I like the fact that he is a centre.

One obstacle is that his cap hit is $4.9M and there are four years after this one. If the Flames obtained him and then he failed to revitalize his career, that contract could be ugly.

Regardless, the Flames would have to send out money to fit him in.

Frolik?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I watched him a lot more than you did, if your posts are any indication.

"I know you are, but what am I"?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Brodmance.

Changes will have to happen... personally i'd prefer to keep kids just starting their career arc rather than protecting guys who are over 30...

if you can trade Brodie or another veteran before the expansion draft, i think you have to...just about picking the guy that will give you the most return or the guy who will hurt less in trading him...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by the2bears

That's not even the asking price, Dreger says he doesn't know what that is. Just more guessing.

Dreger's cred is basically Eklund level at this point. I am shocked he is still employed.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by jg13

Okay but how about non Stanley Cup winners? What if we play a team in round 2 (San Jose / Vegas / Nashville) that adds a big piece at the deadline, takes us out and they don't win the cup?

Very possible as well.

Let them throw assets for big fish that don't win them anything. I think all three of those teams have windows that are potentially closing. They have a bunch of key pieces that are starting to get up there. In fact I would expect them to borderline mortgage their future because of the situation they are in.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Let them throw assets for big fish that don't win them anything. I think all three of those teams have windows that are potentially closing. They have a bunch of key pieces that are starting to get up there. In fact I would expect them to borderline mortgage their future because of the situation they are in.

SJ is getting a little older than some teams but the other 2? Nashville is very young....3 guys maybe that are even 30 years old?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

A lot of proposals hoping to move Neal.

Does he have any value right now? I guess it's pretty low if one has to include something to move him.


Does BT try to move him? I doubt it. He was just signed this summer as a UFA.

What kind of message does that send? "Sign here and if it doesn't work out ASAP we'll move you first chance we get. Luckily we rarely trade with Edmonton."

Who's going to want to sign here? Want to trade for and sign Stone, I bet his agent demands he play on line #1 or forget signing a contract.

Neal's going nowhere.

I am sure the thinking is that his next 30 games have to be better than his last 30 games.

Agreed, Neal is not being traded. Same with Smith, he is going to be the backup until the end of this season. People need to stop making trade proposals with these guys included, it isn't happening.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I don't think Brodie gets dealt before the trade deadline, unless something comes along where we improve on the blueline long-term on an affordable salary. Having said that, I doubt Brodie is a Calgary Flame come next training camp. The year he is having should generate some interest in him, and the Flames will be forced to make a move to keep this team together. It is likely Brodie or Hamonic to go, and Hamonic does not have a replacement anywhere in the system.

On the argument of Brodie's performance, I think he's the Leon Draisaitl of defensemen. Looks awesome playing with a top player in the league, but ask him to be a driving force on his own, and he fails miserably. Anyone can look good playing along side Giordano, but take him away and what do you have? In Brodie's case a black hole on defense and a player with limited scoring ability. I think the Flames are hoping that his turn around with Giordano will drive interest up in him and trade him while his value is high.

So why this summer? So they can maximize his return. He's going into the final year of his contract and is coming off his best in years. They won't be able to fit him into the budget, unless he falls off the face of the earth next season; at which point why would you want to resign him? In trading Brodie while he's a hot commodity, the Flames should be able to recoup at least what they paid for Hamonic. These are very valuable pieces moving forward, pieces the Flames desperately need. If the Flames can recoup those picks, they look pretty good going into the draft and restocking the system. They already have three young guys on the blueline that look to be able to back fill Brodie's minutes, so the timing is just right to make the team more stable long term.

On the trade deadline, if I were Treliving I might be inclined to stand pat or just make a couple very minor moves to improve depth. The only position I would look at with intent of improving it is goaltender and bringing in a better solution than Mike Smith. After that, I think the improvements are already in the room. I believe that James Neal's game is coming around and he will become the player they need down the stretch and into the playoffs. I also see Mike Stone coming back and providing that depth on the blueline the Flames are supposedly looking for. They get two improvements just by being patient and waiting for the vets to come around, and not lose a single asset.

Come the draft, you trade Brodie. Hopefully you get that same package that you paid for Hamonic. Couple that with standing pat at the deadline and give the system a much needed shot in the arm. Would be nice coming away from the draft with 2 picks from the first round, and then picks in each round after that. We need a couple picks in the first to draft a couple players with high potential to fill the gaps in the system. Brodie is a good player to move to accomplish that IMO.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by transplant99

SJ is getting a little older than some teams but the other 2? Nashville is very young....3 guys maybe that are even 30 years old?

Yeah you are right, was thinking Winnipeg and wrote Nashville. I think you have some key players in Buf, Wheeler and even Little on the wrong side of 30.

For Vegas, it is the Marc Andre Fleury show. They really don't have a game breaker like the other teams and are relying heavily on him. Fleury is no spring chicken turning 35 early next season.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

To Calgary:

Zucarello
Hayes
50% retained

To Rangers:

Calgary 2019 1st
Calgary 2020 3rd
Dube
Neal

You could take Neal out and the rags still likely don't do this.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You could take Neal out and the rags still likely don't do this.

You might be right.

[dino7c]

Flames don't have to worry about Winnepeg or Nashville until round three if at all

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I think this is a great idea. One variable is there was a journalist from The Athletic on 960 yesterday, who suggested the CBJ brought in Martin St. Louis to work with Wennberg because Tortorella hadn't been able to get through to him in a long time. On one hand, CBJ has clearly invested a lot in bringing Wennberg along so this suggests he is valuable to them and it would be hard to get him. Conversely, if CBJ feels the Martin St. Louis experiment has failed, then they might view Wennberg as a failure and be willing to ship him out.

I like the fact that he is a centre.

One obstacle is that his cap hit is $4.9M and there are four years after this one. If the Flames obtained him and then he failed to revitalize his career, that contract could be ugly.

Regardless, the Flames would have to send out money to fit him in.

Frolik?

Neal (maybe with 250k retained)?

Perhaps both players just need a change of scenery, and a trade like this could be a win-win-win situation. At worst, both players continue to disappoint but there are no additional cap implications, but at best, both could recapture their previous confidence and compete level.

[Snuffleupagus]

If Columbus keeps spiraling down I wonder if they would consider trading Josh Anderson.? Big, fast, tough, can score and supposedly a great teammate.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames don't have to worry about Winnepeg or Nashville until round three if at all

Come on this is the Flames we are talking about. It's all about the 1st round! If you look at Flames history they generally do good things if they get out of the 1st round. However getting past the 1st round has been a huge obstacle historically for this franchise regardless if they are the favorites or underdogs. I will be considerably more nervous in the 1st round than any other round they may ascend to.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by New Era

Come the draft, you trade Brodie. Hopefully you get that same package that you paid for Hamonic. Couple that with standing pat at the deadline and give the system a much needed shot in the arm. Would be nice coming away from the draft with 2 picks from the first round, and then picks in each round after that. We need a couple picks in the first to draft a couple players with high potential to fill the gaps in the system. Brodie is a good player to move to accomplish that IMO.

Good post. I agree with trading Brodie this offseason. I hope that they are able to get back the package you talk about, but I doubt it. Draft picks will become more valuable because the players in that draft won't have to be protected in the expansion draft. But ideally, that would be an awesome return.

Trust the wizard.

[Ryan Coke]

It’s funny that people say that we have replacements for Brodie, but not for Hamonic. I get that it is subjective, but I’d say we are a better team with 2 Brodie’s and 0 Hamonics, than the other way around.

For all the talk of what has made Brodie good in his good years vs. bad in his bad years, it doesn’t change that his play right now is a very good top pair D, and Hamonic is still a second pair guy, and that is where he should be.

I also see Brodie as a guy that can likely keep a high level of play for longer based on his style of play, whereas Hamonic is a warrior, but I see his play dropping sooner due to foot speed and injury issues.

I have to say, I really like Hammer. But I would probably be more likely to move him before Brodie.

[Flames67]

Fair enough, looking only a couple years down the road at the flames roster, Hamonic is safe to stay on the second pairing (with an eventual resigning). Andersson leapfrogs him to the top-line (assuming no other acquisitions of RD's) alongside Valimaki or Hanifin. That pathway looks better than keeping and re-signing Brodie long term when his capability to play effectively is a mystery when not paired with Gio, who will eventually not play as a god amongst men.

Brodie's return could be sizeable, who knows what that looks like, but that seems to me to be a better scenario. Keep in mind, there's an expansion draft coming as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

It’s funny that people say that we have replacements for Brodie, but not for Hamonic. I get that it is subjective, but I’d say we are a better team with 2 Brodie’s and 0 Hamonics, than the other way around.

For all the talk of what has made Brodie good in his good years vs. bad in his bad years, it doesn’t change that his play right now is a very good top pair D, and Hamonic is still a second pair guy, and that is where he should be.

I also see Brodie as a guy that can likely keep a high level of play for longer based on his style of play, whereas Hamonic is a warrior, but I see his play dropping sooner due to foot speed and injury issues.

I have to say, I really like Hammer. But I would probably be more likely to move him before Brodie.

I believe it's mainly because the skill sets of the younger guys more closely resemble Brodie than Hamonic.

I also think Hamonic could play with Gio and look like a typical really good shutdown guy on a top pairing.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

It’s funny that people say that we have replacements for Brodie, but not for Hamonic. I get that it is subjective, but I’d say we are a better team with 2 Brodie’s and 0 Hamonics, than the other way around.

For all the talk of what has made Brodie good in his good years vs. bad in his bad years, it doesn’t change that his play right now is a very good top pair D, and Hamonic is still a second pair guy, and that is where he should be.

I also see Brodie as a guy that can likely keep a high level of play for longer based on his style of play, whereas Hamonic is a warrior, but I see his play dropping sooner due to foot speed and injury issues.

I have to say, I really like Hammer. But I would probably be more likely to move him before Brodie.

there is some subjectivity... but another issue is also contract status.

Both are 28, but Brodie is currently at 4.65M while Hamonic is at 3.85M... both will be looking for new contracts...

also, i think the flames will have to look at what will offer the bigger return...Puck moving defensemen are a valuable resource in today's NHL... arguably we have a number of those players in Valimaki, Andersson, Kylington and Hanafin... We don't really have a replacement for Hamonic.

contract status and the upcoming expansion draft is really what is driving this conversation