2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

@ComixZone(quote not working for some reason...)
I'm trying to remember, but I'm fairly certain I read somewhere that Kane was interested in playing for the Flames(at least when he is a UFA)? Something like that...

Not sure I’ve heard that, but there has been rumours for a while of him wanting to play close to BC but not in BC.

Listening to Rob Ray sing Kane’s praises earlier this season on the Fan is what has me thinking he’s a good fit. Cynics will say it’s because it’s a contract year, but Kane has been very active in the Buffalo community. That’s something the Flames do value, and alongside Kane’s speed/edge/general “fixer” skillset where he can play in any situation...I like the fit this year and going forward.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Poison

Age is great and all but i tend to look more at experience. He has more than both Gaudreau and Janko as you gave examples for and i dont see much that leads me to believe hes going to breakout. He is what he is to me. The sooner you deal him the more of a chance the other gm sees him as a high first rounder that they can fix.
Longer time goes by the more my thought is cemented; he is what he is.

Bennett has the 318th of 333 best on-ice SH% of any player to have logged 1500+ 5v5 minutes in the last two seasons.

He had the 109th of 340 on-ice SH% of players playing 900 minutes 5v5 as a rookie. And that was a season where we felt he was pretty unlucky to have so many of his own goals called back.

Some reverse perspective? 2015-16 Nazem Kadri had the 327th best on-ice SH% and had less 5-on-5 points than Bennett has any season of his career... yet the last two seasons has the 114th best on-ice SH% and looks like a key piece in a very good team. On-ice SH% is a real thing, as frustrating as it can be to admit. There are a few players who can dictate this stat, guys like Thornton, Tanguay, Crosby, Stamkos, maybe Gaudreau, but they really are the outliers. Most players' SH% is pretty random in a given season. And this season (and last, post-Brouwer) Bennett has certainly generated chances, I don't know how you could say he hasn't.

Even if you think he struggles to generate shots or what-have you, that on-ice SH% is indicative of something that can be corrected. It's not a player you sell low on because SH% is highly luck-based and probably influenced by Gulutzan's system and player usage.

It makes plenty of sense to at least see what Bennett can do under a coach who doesn't want every regulation to end in a 1-1 tie. Otherwise you end up trading a guy like Riley Sheahan (5.39 oiSH% last year) only to see him thrive elsewhere (7.99 oiSH% since being traded to PITT). It's more prudent to actually try changes that will help that player, than to give up on that player because of a low on-ice SH% (or SV%).

[Badgers Nose]

Would it be worth taking Bobby Ryan as a cap dump if he came with a pile of assets - to be the third team that helps facilitate the Karlsson trade?

Would he be an upgrade on the third line? Any chance to rejuvenate him?

I can't imagine him ever being on a Burke team, but who knows?

[Vinny01]

Commodore is back doing his pack your S__ stuff.

Saying the Hawks are working on a blockbuster including a core player. My guess is Saad but who knows?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Would it be worth taking Bobby Ryan as a cap dump if he came with a pile of assets - to be the third team that helps facilitate the Karlsson trade?

Would he be an upgrade on the third line? Any chance to rejuvenate him?

I can't imagine him ever being on a Burke team, but who knows?

I guess it depends on what assets, but I think it would be worth looking into. If they needed the money to keep Karlsson, would it be worth throwing in their 1st?

I am not an expert on their financial or cap situation, but if they needed the room, I would think keeping Karlsson is worth a 1st rounder.

FWIW, I know someone who gets to hang around with the Sens and he said Ryan is very popular among his peers and is the nicest pro-hockey player off the ice he has ever met.

Personally, I would take my chances with Ryan over Kane.

[868904]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Bennett has the 318th of 333 best on-ice SH% of any player to have logged 1500+ 5v5 minutes in the last two seasons.

He had the 109th of 340 on-ice SH% of players playing 900 minutes 5v5 as a rookie. And that was a season where we felt he was pretty unlucky to have so many of his own goals called back.

Some reverse perspective? 2015-16 Nazem Kadri had the 327th best on-ice SH% and had less 5-on-5 points than Bennett has any season of his career... yet the last two seasons has the 114th best on-ice SH% and looks like a key piece in a very good team. On-ice SH% is a real thing, as frustrating as it can be to admit. There are a few players who can dictate this stat, guys like Thornton, Tanguay, Crosby, Stamkos, maybe Gaudreau, but they really are the outliers. Most players' SH% is pretty random in a given season. And this season (and last, post-Brouwer) Bennett has certainly generated chances, I don't know how you could say he hasn't.

Even if you think he struggles to generate shots or what-have you, that on-ice SH% is indicative of something that can be corrected. It's not a player you sell low on because SH% is highly luck-based and probably influenced by Gulutzan's system and player usage.

It makes plenty of sense to at least see what Bennett can do under a coach who doesn't want every regulation to end in a 1-1 tie. Otherwise you end up trading a guy like Riley Sheahan (5.39 oiSH% last year) only to see him thrive elsewhere (7.99 oiSH% since being traded to PITT). It's more prudent to actually try changes that will help that player, than to give up on that player because of a low on-ice SH% (or SV%).

I don't think that shooting percentage is all luck though, if you are a good shooter, you will score on a higher percentage of your shots, that just seems logical.

i think the problem with Bennett is highlighted by your stat, he does not have a good shot. It's something he needs to work on a lot in the offseason. The kid is fearless and quick and he can get to the scoring areas in the slot and in front of the net, but when he gets there, he can't score because of his muffin of a shot.

While I disagree about the luck aspect, I do agree that Flames should have some more patience with Bennett. They should give him an offseason training regiment with a skills coach and have him shoot 1000 heavy pucks while cycling out from the boards everyday in the Summer. He has the will and the competitiveness to succeed, but I think he doesn't understand what he needs to do. He needs to upgrade his "skills" and in particular, his shot, the velocity, the accuracy, and the release. If he has a better shot, he also wouldn't have to try that stupid outside-inside toe drag all the time.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 868904

I don't think that shooting percentage is all luck though, if you are a good shooter, you will score on a higher percentage of your shots, that just seems logical.

On-ice SH% is not just your own shot. It's your linemates' shots, and your defensemen's shots too. It's the SH% of all shots taken when you're on the ice, and that's not just you.

Also good shooters are still stopped by goaltenders. Good shooters do have better shot volume, but only a few of them (Laine, Stamkos, Monahan?) actually have higher SH% than average. Even Ovechkin is a pretty average "SH%" guy.

I agree Bennett doesn't have the "best" shot, but we've also seen him snipe some absolute beauties. He actually had a strong individual shooting percentage as a rookie.

[Poe969]

Ryan + first round pick for Brouwer!

But it has to happen now to make sense

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Poison

Knee jerk? To Bennett? You know hes been on this team for years right? When pray tell do you think he will all of a sudden figure it out. Good god. Get a decent return for him and thank you very much Sam. Don't let the door..

Knee jerk as in being on the cusp of a playoff spot raather than securely holding one and subsequently selling pieces like Bennett to try and save face on what many would consider a disappointing season this year.

Edit: and regarding Bennett, I’m guessing you’ve given up on him and he pissed in your corn flakes which would explain your sensational opinion of him.. good god..

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I’m confused by what a post like this contributes to the conversation. All too often comments like this are over looked and become the tone setting post for the next few pages in every thread on CP.

It was just me reiterating what I had said a few posts earlier. That I agreed with him but was having fun speculating. I didn't mean anything by it. Wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything. I had also contributed a bunch prior to that.

[sureLoss]

Friedman wondering in his latest thoughts if Boston or Calgary would reconsider Patrick Sharp or if he just finishes his career in Boston.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Commodore is back doing his pack your S__ stuff.

Saying the Hawks are working on a blockbuster including a core player. My guess is Saad but who knows?

Patrick Kane please

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Not sure I’ve heard that, but there has been rumours for a while of him wanting to play close to BC but not in BC.

Listening to Rob Ray sing Kane’s praises earlier this season on the Fan is what has me thinking he’s a good fit. Cynics will say it’s because it’s a contract year, but Kane has been very active in the Buffalo community. That’s something the Flames do value, and alongside Kane’s speed/edge/general “fixer” skillset where he can play in any situation...I like the fit this year and going forward.

begs the question of why Buffalo never tried to resign Kane shouldn't it?

The Sabres' winger, who will be an unrestricted free agent on July 1, knows the call is inevitably coming. He's going to be traded by the club even though he's the team's second-leading goal scorer and, at age 26, is in the prime of his career.

He's in the final year of a six-year, $31.25 million contract he signed with the Winnipeg Jets in 2012 and confirmed to The Buffalo News this week what has been widely assumed: The Sabres have never negotiated with him on a new deal.

Still, it's known the Sabres have made it clear they're willing to retain some of Kane's salary for the rest of the season as a way to up the ante for potential trade partners.

its not as though Kane didn't want to sign there either

Kane left no doubt he would have entertained negotiations on an extension if the Sabres had approached him and his representatives from Newport Sports Management in Mississauga, Ont.

"Of course I would have. Absolutely," he said. "I've said from Day One I've really enjoyed the time here. For me, it's a place where I've grown to know more and more about Buffalo. It's been a real great experience for me. I'm just going to continue that until I get told something different."

http://buffalonews.com/2018/01/18/wi...ts-trade-call/

apparently the management team in Buffalo, that have seen him as much as any player during the season, doesn't feel as strongly about Kane as some folks here do...

[Vinny01]

Kane has definitely gone from trending toward commanding a long term deal with a raise to a 1-2 year show me deal at the same or less money.

If he hits the market and can’t get a long term deal I see him signing with the Oilers for a 1 year cheap deal to play with McDavid. They are desperate for speedy wingers to play with Connor and Kane will need to rebuild his value

[Poe969]

I'd love Kane on a 1-2 year show me deal. I think he could be a great support player on a good team

[dammage79]

Loved the idea someone needs brought up a few days ago of looking at a guy like Nick Bjugstad. Ticks all of the boxes and I personally like the player. If FLA cools off in the next week, I'd go after him if I were the Flames.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

I feel bad for anyone thinking Kane can put his ego aside.

[dammage79]

Says a jaded Jets fan? I don't know, people change man. People change.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Says a jaded Jets fan? I don't know, people change man. People change.

Buffalo would rather take the assets and run apparently...after 3 years, they don't see Kane as a fit in their organization

[Toonage]

Gotta think Kane told them when he was traded there that he wouldn't be re-signing