American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

He is a creep who makes disparaging comments about people of specific races, whose entire entrance into politics was based around one of very few black politicians and obviously the only black president not being an American but born in Africa. The guy is a sexist, a racist, a shyster, and a criminal... why is that someone who you would ever want to support?

But i don't support him? A lot of assumptions being made by a lot of people here.

The biggest one of all below

My point is that chalking about the election loss to racism and misogyny is ridiculous.

Pretty simpleton thinking

So the kiddos want to lower the bar and normalize it, so be it.

So far Trump is a creep who says dumb things...kinda like the last president, just doesn't have the volume so to speak.



crazy group think in this thread, see ya in a few years NPC's

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Your response is that a grandfather kissed his granddaughter?

The race wasn't about sexism or misogyny but why is it that people are willing to overlook it. And frankly you can say you don't support him but you are spending a lot of time defending him for someone who you don't support.

Sorry I missed the Trudeau picture. I don't see how that is relevant but yeah he shouldn't have done that and I don't think he is a great leader. His shelf life expired around 3 years ago.

[dino7c]

Remind me what Trudeau has to do with Trump again?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Remind me what Trudeau has to do with Trump again?

Nothing. Red Herring. It's all he does. He has no valid points to make. It's expert level trolling.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

Your response is that a grandfather kissed his granddaughter?

The race wasn't about sexism or misogyny but why is it that people are willing to overlook it. And frankly you can say you don't support him but you are spending a lot of time defending him for someone who you don't support.

Sorry I missed the Trudeau picture. I don't see how that is relevant but yeah he shouldn't have done that and I don't think he is a great leader. His shelf life expired around 3 years ago.

BS. You would only know these things if you watched outlets like MSNBC, CNN, late-night TV, or read publications such as The Washington Post, Vox, or The New York Times. Given the ratings and subscription numbers for these outlets, they represent a relatively small portion of the audience compared to the 70+ million people who voted for him. If many of them primarily watch Fox News or focus on the NFL or whatever, they may not even be aware of these issues. Therefore, claiming that everyone who voted for Trump is exactly like him or doesn’t care about his behavior is a significant overgeneralization. We all live within our own informational bubbles, and recognizing that is crucial before making extraordinary claims.

And i am sure there is a healthy number of people who just don't care, but suggest they are the stupid ones when it happens (JT picture) on both sides is just a dumb assertion. Stupidity doesn't have a political side.

It's just complete intelluctual laziness.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

BS. You would only know these things if you watched outlets like MSNBC, CNN, late-night TV, or read publications such as The Washington Post, Vox, or The New York Times. Given the ratings and subscription numbers for these outlets, they represent a relatively small portion of the audience compared to the 70+ million people who voted for him. If many of them primarily watch Fox News or focus on the NFL or whatever, they may not even be aware of these issues. Therefore, claiming that everyone who voted for Trump is exactly like him or doesn’t care about his behavior is a significant overgeneralization. We all live within our own informational bubbles, and recognizing that is crucial before making extraordinary claims.

And i am sure there is a healthy number of people who just don't care, but suggest they are the stupid ones when it happens (JT picture) on both sides is just a dumb assertion. Stupidity doesn't have a political side.

It's just complete intelluctual laziness.

You should have just logged off when you said your goodbyes...

You are going to be late for your freedumb shift at the Petrocan tomorrow now! hahaha

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Trump wins one demographic...white people with no post secondary education
sometimes we can indeed call a spade a spade. Even if he got 13% of the black vote and not 11% this time
Not all dumb racists but come on now, quite a few

Hard to believe somebody would even post this. White people with no post secondary education are inherently racist, got it. That’s kind of the vibe that you get from cp. I get it, a lot of us are not happy about Trump winning the election, including me, but don’t be a scumbag about it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

BS. You would only know these things if you watched outlets like MSNBC, CNN, late-night TV, or read publications such as The Washington Post, Vox, or The New York Times. Given the ratings and subscription numbers for these outlets, they represent a relatively small portion of the audience compared to the 70+ million people who voted for him. If many of them primarily watch Fox News or focus on the NFL or whatever, they may not even be aware of these issues. Therefore, claiming that everyone who voted for Trump is exactly like him or doesn’t care about his behavior is a significant overgeneralization. We all live within our own informational bubbles, and recognizing that is crucial before making extraordinary claims.

And i am sure there is a healthy number of people who just don't care, but suggest they are the stupid ones when it happens (JT picture) on both sides is just a dumb assertion. Stupidity doesn't have a political side.

It's just complete intelluctual laziness.

Finally a point we can agree on. Yes, you're right, everyone has their own bubble, and on nuanced topics, or ones that are highly partisan, you will get two different factual realities.

But on who Trump is as a person, there is no split reality. He's been prominently featured in the news cycle for over 10 years now. There's no way that the general population doesn't know who he is. So, again, it's very simple. If they voted for him, they think like him in a lot of ways, or they just don't care or choose to ignore it, and it's just because they want him to fix the price of bacon.

Unfortunately he won't and can't fix the price of bacon, nor would he ever try to. The man is a con artist, telling people what they want to hear and then doing nothing about it. He's the ultimate politician I guess. It's not that people voted for him because they love racism and sexism, but they chose to ignore those things in order to have some of their kitchen table issues handled in a different (not necessarily better) way.

My only concern is whether or not he plans to consolidate power in the executive branch. He has all the political tools at his disposal to turn America from a democracy/plutocracy into an autocracy. Supreme court? check...they even said he can do what he wants through executive privilege...even commit crimes? We shall see. He has the senate, and will likely have the house. He has the popular vote. He has what can clearly be seen now as a mandate. What he does with that mandate scares the #### out of me. Not because I'm some panicky libtard, but because he says what he wants to do out loud and has written policy associated with his campaign that outlines how they're going to do it. It may come down to the military deciding to go along with his plan or not. Weirdly, I think there may be enough conscientious objectors in that group to stop him, but also...maybe not and that's troubling.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

Hard to believe somebody would even post this. White people with no post secondary education are inherently racist, got it. That’s kind of the vibe that you get from cp. I get it, a lot of us are not happy about Trump winning the election, including me, but don’t be a scumbag about it.

No but the people who voted for him supported a racist, it is as simple as that. If you supported Donald Trump you felt okay in supporting a racist to be the most powerful person in the world. I don't know any way around that basic fact. The fact that he is more popular among people with less education isn't really a shock either when you consider how absolutely bat#### insane the past decade has been and the empty promises that he makes to his adoring crowds over and over again.

I don't know if supporting a racist makes someone a racist, but it certainly should give pause for thought.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

We underestimate how many voters don’t follow politics and simply don’t care about whatever Trump or any other candidate spouts off about. Dominic Seabrook sums up this outlook.

Spoiler!

Dominic Sandbrook. He predicted a Trump victory. He probably the best 20th century historian out there and a lot the history led to a Trump win.

[opendoor]

There are some interesting bits of info coming out about the Democratic campaign. Who knows how truthful they are, and it could just be revisionism, but still interesting:

-Apparently at the same time that Biden's team was talking about how strong of a candidate he was, they had internal polling showing Trump potentially getting over 400 electoral votes if he stayed in the race.

-There was a story that Democratic operatives were basically begging the Harris campaign to not focus on campaigning with Liz Cheney or trumpeting her support among neocons, but the campaign basically told them to get lost.

-Pelosi all but confirmed that they didn't really want Harris to run (hence the delayed endorsements from Obama et al). But when Biden quickly endorsed her, everyone else had to fall in line.

Also, JD Vance quoted Anton Chigurh in all seriousness in a tweet today. Good god...

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

BS. You would only know these things if you watched outlets like MSNBC, CNN, late-night TV, or read publications such as The Washington Post, Vox, or The New York Times. Given the ratings and subscription numbers for these outlets, they represent a relatively small portion of the audience compared to the 70+ million people who voted for him. If many of them primarily watch Fox News or focus on the NFL or whatever, they may not even be aware of these issues. Therefore, claiming that everyone who voted for Trump is exactly like him or doesn’t care about his behavior is a significant overgeneralization. We all live within our own informational bubbles, and recognizing that is crucial before making extraordinary claims.

And i am sure there is a healthy number of people who just don't care, but suggest they are the stupid ones when it happens (JT picture) on both sides is just a dumb assertion. Stupidity doesn't have a political side.

It's just complete intelluctual laziness.

I truthfully think that the people who voted for Trump are either selfish, morally bankrupt, or lack intelligence... Maybe a combination of the three.

They have voted in a shyster for a second time, someone whose business acumen is best described as questionable, who is inherently corrupt, a criminal, an abuser, a tax cheat and a bully... And the best response that you can come up with is that Biden kissed his granddaughter on the lips and Trudeau played dress up... It seems as though it is an attempt at a gotcha but it doesn't hold a candle to the weird #### that Trump does that supporters like you ignore.

I'm honestly disappointed in your lack of insight.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

There's no way that the general population doesn't know who he is.

Making assumptions, giving Fox News too much credit too boot.

You'd be suprised that there are MILLIONS who don't live in your reality.

There is also a MASSIVE generation gap going on

Trumps a lazy and won't do much if anything, much like the last time.

Least threatening person in the world.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

I'm honestly disappointed in your lack of insight.

That sucks dude, but your insight is ad hominen attacks..and very very much how Trump handles people who he doesn't "understand". Call them every name in the book. Are you sure you aren't the 47th President?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

What is the ad hominem attack? I am actually disappointed in your lack of insight on the issue. You could actually bring up valid points but instead you have brought up Trudeau, Biden and not much else.

Seriously why do you support him? Please just give a single good reason.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Making assumptions, giving Fox News too much credit too boot.

You'd be suprised that there are MILLIONS who don't live in your reality.

There is also a MASSIVE generation gap going on

Trumps a lazy and won't do much if anything, much like the last time.

Least threatening person in the world.

No, that would be my 7 year old daughter, and even she has a tiny mean streak in her.

I can't take anything you say seriously if you really believe that. Besides, even if you're right (you're not), it's the people around him that use him as a useful idiot to achieve their goals. The Steve Bannon's, the Stephen Miller's, and yes...the Vladimir Putin's. They play him to do their bidding, and they are definitely NOT the least threatening people in the world.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by MelBridgeman

Ok so he's creep?

Whata bedtime boutism are you talking about?

You said creep but you meant rapist.

[FurnaceFace]

To me It's really a Maslow Hierarchy of Needs like situation. It seems a majority of voters feel the economy is the biggest issue. They are worried about affording rent, food, and other basic needs. One party talks endlessly about how the party in power caused this, and we can fix it, here's some broad ideas and the party n charge doesn't really push back a lot, and focuses on "that guy is evil, don't vote for him." I found it strange how Harris et al never seemed to have a message of:
"we just came out of an unprecedented global event, the entire world hurt from it, but you know what, we're doing way better than other countries. Inflation was high, it was hard for everyone, but we've brought it down and now we are at 2%. The best in the world. Our policies brought it down, and with other policies like [a national minimum wage, loan forgiveness, infrastructure investment to get more of you highly skilled blue collar workers back to work in your industries, et al] we will continue to improve."
I'm sure political writers could do better. The point is there was an opportunity to address the concerns, and simply state how you will improve it, while also explaining tariffs in simple terms. Perhaps they were too gunshy of that because they felt it would be easy to argue Harris was in charge when it was bad. I still think she should have leaned into that, and said I was in charge, and I brought it down faster than anyone could have. That, or just distanced herself completely from Joe: " Joe was the leader, I wasn't, I'd do things differently."

I find it amazing how poorly they read the biggest demographic and didn't understand their biggest issue. Perhaps hindsight, but she was really cut off at the knees: clear ties to an administration people were upset with, 107 days to get people to really know her, and then race and gender that will have played smaller parts, but had to still be there.
I'd like to see the parallel universe where Biden withdraws in January, and Wilmer, Newsom, or someone from outside the administration was the candidate with more time to connect.

[8 Ball]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

No but the people who voted for him supported a racist, it is as simple as that. If you supported Donald Trump you felt okay in supporting a racist to be the most powerful person in the world. I don't know any way around that basic fact. The fact that he is more popular among people with less education isn't really a shock either when you consider how absolutely bat#### insane the past decade has been and the empty promises that he makes to his adoring crowds over and over again.

I don't know if supporting a racist makes someone a racist, but it certainly should give pause for thought.

They aren’t racist, considering a lot of the voters weren’t white in the first place. Maybe if more “educated “ folks would quit talking down to the blue-collar workers they wouldn’t get their ass kicked so often.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by 8 Ball

They aren’t racist, considering a lot of the voters weren’t white in the first place. Maybe if more “educated “ folks would quit talking down to the blue-collar workers they wouldn’t get their ass kicked so often.

And yet they voted for a racist. Hard not to talk down to someone who does something I consider to be reprehensible.