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Old 08-20-2022, 12:29 PM   #801
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Lindholm is making a case . He is like O’Reilli. One tier below the elites.

Markstrom may but so far he is not. He was the main reason they lost the last series. That’s not elite.
If a player has a rough series they lose the status they gained through the previous season? Second in Vezina voting with 9 shutouts. If he is not elite he is on the cusp.

Lindholm had over 40 goals and 80 points while being incredibly strong defensively. His case is looking pretty strong right now

This team is really deep as well. Mangiapane, Toffoli, Kadri have all scored 30. Backlund was 13th in Selke votes last year and Coleman plays a strong 2way game. This team can roll 3-4 lines and 3 pairs with ease. The Hall of Fame coach also gives the group a trusted valuable voice.

I think this team has a great shot at the Jennings next year but likely won’t be as prolific offensively. I truly feel they are better suited for the playoffs than last year due to their depth up the middle and improved back end
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If a player has a rough series they lose the status they gained through the previous season? Second in Vezina voting with 9 shutouts. If he is not elite he is on the cusp.

Lindholm had over 40 goals and 80 points while being incredibly strong defensively. His case is looking pretty strong right now

This team is really deep as well. Mangiapane, Toffoli, Kadri have all scored 30. Backlund was 13th in Selke votes last year and Coleman plays a strong 2way game. This team can roll 3-4 lines and 3 pairs with ease. The Hall of Fame coach also gives the group a trusted valuable voice.

I think this team has a great shot at the Jennings next year but likely won’t be as prolific offensively. I truly feel they are better suited for the playoffs than last year due to their depth up the middle and improved back end
I agreed. I think they have a St Louis type team. If everything goes right, everyone shows up and play well they can certainly win it

But they don’t have Kucherov/Hedman, McKinnon/Makar, Kane/Toews, Crosby/Malkin that put the whole team on their back and carry them to the cup
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Old 08-20-2022, 01:05 PM   #803
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Lindholm is making a case . He is like O’Reilli. One tier below the elites.

Markstrom may but so far he is not. He was the main reason they lost the last series. That’s not elite.
By that reasoning McDavid isn’t elite.
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By that reasoning McDavid isn’t elite.
He isn’t.
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By that reasoning McDavid isn’t elite.
Damn closet Oilers fan

He is not in Crosby class for sure
You have problems with that ? Lol
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By that reasoning McDavid isn’t elite.
Really good goal scorer. Elite hockey player by no means otherwise.

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33 pts in 16 playoff games is pretty elite. The Oilers problem is their back end and goaltending. If they were strong in those areas they would easily be a favorite to the win the cup. Fortunately for us, they are weak in both.
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I said he is elite but compared to the guys I listed that won the Stanley Cup, he is lite. Roll all you want but that’s fact and no shame in it.
Ah yes, the always solid, 'my opinion is fact' argument
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When I buy my Kadri jersey, it'll mean more to me than any other Flames merch I've purchased.

I'm not even Muslim - I'm just a pumped brown dude. Even if he underperforms, I'll wear that thing with pride.
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Old 08-20-2022, 11:05 PM   #810
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I have never actually purchased an official jersey with a name bar, but I am really leaning towards getting a Kadri jersey. He is my kind of player for sure.
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Old 08-20-2022, 11:31 PM   #811
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He isn’t.
Come on, are you guys kidding? He’s consistently had the #1 or #2 PPG in the league for the past 6 years. The guy is the best forward and arguably best player in the world.
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Lindholm is making a case . He is like O’Reilli. One tier below the elites.

Markstrom may but so far he is not. He was the main reason they lost the last series. That’s not elite.
One could argue that Markstrom was the main reason the Flames beat Dallas, as he matched the goalie on the other side save-for-save in a totally dominant goaltender battle for the ages.

That most definitely is "elite."
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He isn’t.
He dummied the flames and there’s no debate there. I think this iteration of the Flames is built much better to handle his garbage.
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OK so I was part of the blow it up crowd. I'll tell you what, it's getting annoying having people hurr durr'ing and throwing it in our faces now like the rebuild option was ridiculous. It was not.
So was I. I lost faith in the old core after the embarrassing series against the Avs in 2019. When Sutter came in and seeing how the team played under him brought me back to the bandwagon a bit, but I was never truly sold, and then of course they go an embarrass themselves even more against the Oilers. By then I was 100% on team blow it up, but I kinda think that's exactly what happened. Gaudreau, Monahan, and Tkachuk out, the 3 biggest key pieces of the old core (pre-Sutter anyways). Instead of draft picks though we get 3 players who collectively are better, so we get to ditch the old core and remain competitive without enduring several years of bottom feeding. I don't see how that's not a win

Sure the new guys might not gel and the Flames fanbase gets massively disappointed again, given the history of this franchise I definitely wouldn't bet against that outcome. But that can happen too with a "proper" rebuild, as it JUST did with us and the post-Iginla core, and teams like Buffalo, Minnesota, Ottawa, Arizona, etc, who seem to be in a never-ending cycle of rebuilds. I'm perfectly happy with Trelving taking a big swing to remake the face of this franchise, especially since we still have so many other recent big acquisitions that would have gone to waste otherwise
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One could argue that Markstrom was the main reason the Flames beat Dallas, as he matched the goalie on the other side save-for-save in a totally dominant goaltender battle for the ages.

That most definitely is "elite."

Yup. Markstrom wasn't great in the Edmonton series, but he was totally hung out to dry by his teammates, especially after Tanev went down. That was not the same Flames team that we had watched during the regular season and in round 1 vs. Dallas. They completely abandoned the defensive structure and high-pressure forecheck that made them successful up to that point, and instead tried to match the Oilers' loosey goosey river hockey, and sadly it backfired.
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seems in retrospect our two top offensive threats were more worried about personal goals than team goals
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If a player has a rough series they lose the status they gained through the previous season? Second in Vezina voting with 9 shutouts. If he is not elite he is on the cusp.

Lindholm had over 40 goals and 80 points while being incredibly strong defensively. His case is looking pretty strong right now

This team is really deep as well. Mangiapane, Toffoli, Kadri have all scored 30. Backlund was 13th in Selke votes last year and Coleman plays a strong 2way game. This team can roll 3-4 lines and 3 pairs with ease. The Hall of Fame coach also gives the group a trusted valuable voice.

I think this team has a great shot at the Jennings next year but likely won’t be as prolific offensively. I truly feel they are better suited for the playoffs than last year due to their depth up the middle and improved back end
Andrei Vasilevskiy v. Columbus 4 years ago = .856 save percentage. Vasilevsky not elite. Or something.
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Yup. Markstrom wasn't great in the Edmonton series, but he was totally hung out to dry by his teammates, especially after Tanev went down. That was not the same Flames team that we had watched during the regular season and in round 1 vs. Dallas. They completely abandoned the defensive structure and high-pressure forecheck that made them successful up to that point, and instead tried to match the Oilers' loosey goosey river hockey, and sadly it backfired.
It wasn’t just the injury to Tanev. Zadorov had 3 cracked ribs, Kylington had a shoulder injury and I’m not certain Gudbranson was fully recovered from a late season injury. Our defence was broken.
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I said he is elite but compared to the guys I listed that won the Stanley Cup, he is lite. Roll all you want but that’s fact and no shame in it.
Fact? Seems it's opinion.
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Come on, are you guys kidding? He’s consistently had the #1 or #2 PPG in the league for the past 6 years. The guy is the best forward and arguably best player in the world…
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