Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If they do re-sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk is gone. Probably before the ink is dry on the contract.

Why though?

I don’t know why either guy would want to stay if the other is leaving. They are the best 2 players on the team and have played extremely well since being put on the same line with Lindholm

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I know you couldn't possibly have meant to be offensive, but the word Tranny is deeply frowned upon and akin to saying something like F** about a homosexual person. One of my best friends recently transitioned, you would be well served eschewing that from your lexicon.
Just so you know.

When Transplant99 transitions I will be certain to not reference to them as a tranny.

[transplant99]

If you guys need a nickname for me...hoo boy I can come up with a list a mile long of names I have been called!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If they do re-sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk is gone. Probably before the ink is dry on the contract.

That or one of Backlund or Monahan is traded or bought out.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you guys need a nickname for me...hoo boy I can come up with a list a mile long of names I have been called!

Wouldn't Plante be more fitting? Just a suggestion.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

If you guys need a nickname for me...hoo boy I can come up with a list a mile long of names I have been called!

Just by me.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

For me, anything above $10 million per and I'm going to let him sign elsewhere. It would suck losing him for nothing but it gets too hard to win paying a winger any more than that in today's cap. Even $10 million is debatable, but the player holds all the cards here.

this sounds about right for a winger...even with a great playoff.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think we should offer Gaudreau the captaincy along with a fat contract to resign. Build the team around him, show him you're serious. He's showing us this year that he is capable of being the top player on the squad, potentially on both ends of the ice. He has been a leader in how he responded to Sutter's comments last year, and it's clear he is the beating heart of effort on the team. I personally think that he needed Gio to leave so he could fill the void, and he has done so very admirably.

I give it 70/30, and I would have had it reversed last season. The lack of new arena deal is the pall, but his fiance moving here to work nursing is extremely encouraging. I think some playoff wins would seal the deal.

Does he even want to be captain? Not all players do. Panarin didn't want the C in NY and I doubt he is the first to decline. It is more than just putting a C on his jersey. Considering he isn't wearing an A, I bet he is comfortable with things as things are.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm happy with 10.5 ... I sincerely hope that would be adequate.

10.5*8= 84Mill.

Someone would have to offer him 12*7 to match the $$ and who knows what Johnny would be worth at ~35 to resign.

I think we can make that work. Perhaps some additional bonus structure can even reduce it to 10 flat.

Johnny cannot get any bonus structure.


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[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Johnny cannot get any bonus structure.


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why's that?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If they do re-sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk is gone. Probably before the ink is dry on the contract.

Lol, remember when I said the negative posters were flocking here because the team was doing well so they had to focus their negativity somewhere else. I also said if JG signed they would instantly move on to Tkachuk leaving, Gaudreau has not even signed and it has already begun. So predictable.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I think we should offer Gaudreau the captaincy along with a fat contract to resign. Build the team around him, show him you're serious. He's showing us this year that he is capable of being the top player on the squad, potentially on both ends of the ice. He has been a leader in how he responded to Sutter's comments last year, and it's clear he is the beating heart of effort on the team. I personally think that he needed Gio to leave so he could fill the void, and he has done so very admirably.

I give it 70/30, and I would have had it reversed last season. The lack of new arena deal is the pall, but his fiance moving here to work nursing is extremely encouraging. I think some playoff wins would seal the deal.

I think the “C” for extension should be focused squarely on Tkachuk who we all know wants to be the captain and has worn a letter for many years here. I don’t think a letter means much to Johnny but I could be wrong

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the “C” for extension should be focused squarely on Tkachuk who we all know wants to be the captain and has worn a letter for many years here. I don’t think a letter means much to Johnny but I could be wrong

I agree that either Johnny or the team hasn’t looked at him as captain for whatever reason. I also however don’t think Tkachuk will be swayed by a C. Nor should he, really. I think it’s gonna be dollars that move Tkachuk one way or another. Plus, I doubt Sutter really wants him as captain. I suspect it will be Tanev or some other vet like that.

[Monahammer]

Maybe johnny doesn't want it, but if he does you have to consider him. He's the top offensive player, and he came in and bought fully into Sutter's system no questions asked, improved his defensive focus as the coach demanded, and it has led to direct results for the team and the club. As Johnny goes on the ice, the flames offense goes. Whether or not directly, he just sucks the attention towards himself and energizes his own team mates.

To me those are all captain attributes and we would be well served enshrining that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I agree that either Johnny or the team hasn’t looked at him as captain for whatever reason. I also however don’t think Tkachuk will be swayed by a C. Nor should he, really. I think it’s gonna be dollars that move Tkachuk one way or another. Plus, I doubt Sutter really wants him as captain. I suspect it will be Tanev or some other vet like that.

I am confident that if Tkachuk re-signs here long term he will wear the C. If Gio comes back this season or next that could be a wrinkle but I don’t see them giving it to Tanev or they would have done that already.

I agree that Tkachuk’s primary motivations are 1. Money and 2. Winning but I do think he would place value on getting the C and I think that would be something that would mean a lot to him.

The maturity he has shown this year is another step closer to getting that letter in my opinion

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If they do re-sign Gaudreau, Tkachuk is gone. Probably before the ink is dry on the contract.

They're not coming off their entry level contracts; their combined cap hits are already $13.75 million a season. You have to find around 4-5 million to keep both, not easy but entirely doable.

They already have big contracts, not ELCs. Ship out Monahan, let Zadarov walk, cheaper depth then Pitlick and Gubranson

[The Cobra]

I'd say it's 50/50 that they can sign Johnny, which is higher than I ever thought. And if pushed, I'd likely go higher vs. going lower. This has been a good year for the Flames and Johnny in particular, so that has to count. For a lot. The fact that his wife has moved here isn't particular relevant, where else would a newly married women live?

I think it goes down to the wire and may depend on whether he has playoff success or not. From his point of view. of course, if he can lead the Flames into a great playoff, what does that do to his demands?

But Calgary will not get him on a bargain type contract, this is not a Landeskog situation. They need to pay the man.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Why though?

I don’t know why either guy would want to stay if the other is leaving. They are the best 2 players on the team and have played extremely well since being put on the same line with Lindholm

Head over to cap friendly and run the math. Add 2.5 mil to Gaudreau’s contract and 3 mil to Mangiapane’s. Then see where that leaves you. Unless the Flames sign 6 or 7 roster players to league min contracts next season, something has to give.

And long-term does it make sense for the team to have two wingers locked up to $9 mil contracts?

[Fire]

8yrs x $11 is my max, but even at that figure I think it makes it very unlikely the Flames could build a Stanley Cup winner.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by TOfan

why's that?

I may be wrong, but I believe bonuses are only available for ELCs and 35+ year old players.