[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Sainters7]

Yeah I know where he's from and why he likes him, I'm joking.. love Gilmour, hence the avatar, I know that's his brand now. But that Cup-winning goal beauty will always be 39 to me dammit!

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Yeah I know where he's from and why he likes him, I'm joking.. love Gilmour, hence the avatar, I know that's his brand now. But that Cup-winning goal beauty will always be 39 to me dammit!

Got it, well done

(I skimmed and didn’t clearly read your post. Oops)

[Sainters7]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Got it, well done



(I skimmed and didn’t clearly read your post. Oops)

Haha all good dude. I didn't even see the responses until after I responded, because skimming or posting before getting caught up in threads is also my default setting

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

* Also played last playoffs with a torn tricep

(And I had a chuckle reading some poster who tried to say he was getting buried at face offs because he was mediocre at them. He has been solidly and decently above 50% three years running)

Uhh...in the playoffs last year, which is what the reference was to...he was beaten 59% of the time.

that is, without question, getting your head caved in.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Uhh...in the playoffs last year, which is what the reference was to...he was beaten 59% of the time.

that is, without question, getting your head caved in.

Oh, it must have been you. Marvellous

Right. He was taking those draws with a torn tricep. So he was losing not because face offs are just something he is bad at, as I thought I recalled reading

He probably would have also proven once again just how bad he is at pull-ups, if somebody challenged him to do one

haha

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Oh, it must have been you. Marvellous

Right. He was taking those draws with a torn tricep. So he was losing not because face offs are just something he is bad at, as I thought I recalled reading

He probably would have also proven once again just how bad he is at pull-ups, if somebody challenged him to do one

haha

Yes...and he got his head caved in. Like i said.

He is a solid 48% since he came into the league though, so I defer to that.

But you do you and make sure to get that Bennett tattoo topped up with lots of color. After all he will likely be wearing some new ones at some point.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Dispelling the Legend of Sam Bennett, the Faceoff Edition.

Sam Bennett's faceoff efficacy throughout his career (FOW%).

2020-21 - 41.2% of 17 taken.
2019-20 - 51.7% of 172 taken.
2018-19 - 55.6% of 90 taken.
2017-18 - 54.3% of 219 taken.
2016-17 - 46.1% of 811 taken.
2015-16 - 46.1% of 347 taken.

When Bennett is predominantly a center and taking draws against other centers, his stats aren't great. Coming in from the wing to take draws Bennett does much better, probably because of facing weaker competition in the dot. Should also note that Bennett's faceoffs are rarely in the defensive zone, but that is consistent with his ice time and the sheltered zone starts he gets.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Yeah, for his 20th birthday he got faceoff lessons

Haha.

[Lanny_McDonald]

No, for his 20th birthday he got moved to the wing and had less faceoff responsibility against players good at faceoffs.

[DeluxeMoustache]

It is really unique how insistent you are with creating some narrative and then trumpeting to whoever will listen

Taking face offs against NHL centres, his last 3 seasons he was over 50 percent. Fact. Some guy makes a point that he won only 41 percent in the playoffs. Correct. The guy came to the conclusion that it was because he was not good at face offs. I note that he was playing with a torn tricep while losing the majority of the draws. Fact.

The idea is that you use your arms and strength in a faceoff. And if you have a torn muscle, hey, maybe that explains a reduced effectiveness.

That was it. Pretty simple

If that is really something you need to take exception to, it really says more about you than anything


It is beyond unique, I would even say bizarre, how obsessed you are with refuting this legend that you claim has been invented

Nobody thinks that.

(Also, even Sidney Crosby came in the league and put up a couple of seasons of sub 50 percent FO%, as he understood that it is a skill you have to work on to improve.)


Ok. Carry on

[Enoch Root]

Starting off as a teenager and being lousy at faceoffs, then getting better...

Such a unique and fascinating story.

People seeing what they want to see - no longer interesting with respect to this topic.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I love that facts get under your skin so much. Being so invested in a guy that doesn't produce is just a recipe for disaster.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I don’t think Bennett gets hardly any hostility. He gets less than Will Nault, that’s for sure.

Lots of opposing viewpoints but almost nothing I’d describe as hostility.

Not sure what you mean by the bolded part.

But to say he doesn't get any hostility...

If you look through threads, you can see the same numerous posters questioning Bennett's hockey smarts (usually in a demeaning and rude manner)

I guess it depends on your definition of hostility.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by enoch root

starting off as a teenager and being lousy at faceoffs, then getting better...

Such a unique and fascinating story.

people seeing what they want to see - no longer interesting with respect to this topic.

Originally Posted by new era

i love that facts get under your skin so much. Being so invested in a guy that doesn't produce is just a recipe for disaster.

lol

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Not sure what you mean by the bolded part.

But to say he doesn't get any hostility...

If you look through threads, you can see the same numerous posters questioning Bennett's hockey smarts (usually in a demeaning and rude manner)

I guess it depends on your definition of hostility.

Yeah I don't think people questioning his ability is hostility. Hostility is people posting about how much they hate him and how he's a bum and how they want him traded.

[ResAlien]

I totally get the Bennett superfans. I have a buddy who to this day will argue until he’s blue in the face that David Aebischer would have been a bonafide HOF starter if he’d just been given a real chance to succeed. Not all love seems reasonable to other people and that’s ok.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by New Era

Dispelling the Legend of Sam Bennett, the Faceoff Edition.

Sam Bennett's faceoff efficacy throughout his career (FOW%).

2020-21 - 41.2% of 17 taken.
2019-20 - 51.7% of 172 taken.
2018-19 - 55.6% of 90 taken.
2017-18 - 54.3% of 219 taken.
2016-17 - 46.1% of 811 taken.
2015-16 - 46.1% of 347 taken.

When Bennett is predominantly a center and taking draws against other centers, his stats aren't great. Coming in from the wing to take draws Bennett does much better, probably because of facing weaker competition in the dot. Should also note that Bennett's faceoffs are rarely in the defensive zone, but that is consistent with his ice time and the sheltered zone starts he gets.

huh??? If i recall from every hockey game i've ever watched, when any player comes in from wing to take draw it means their centre got kicked out. The opposition centre wouldn't change so not sure how you can claim that Bennett is facing weaker competition unless you are implying that flames centres only get kicked out against lesser opponents.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by The Boy Wonder

huh??? If i recall from every hockey game i've ever watched, when any player comes in from wing to take draw it means their centre got kicked out. The opposition centre wouldn't change so not sure how you can claim that Bennett is facing weaker competition unless you are implying that flames centres only get kicked out against lesser opponents.

Used to be that both centers got tossed and the wingers would come in and face each other, a time honored strategy in beating tough centers. They stopped that a couple years ago when they tweaked the faceoff rules and have gone to the much more annoying first to flinch gets tossed approach. Bennett has been good in the dot as a second. I'm giving him credit. But as a center he has not been good, which I thought was Tranny's point, and what the data supports.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by New Era

Dispelling the Legend of Sam Bennett, the Faceoff Edition.

Sam Bennett's faceoff efficacy throughout his career (FOW%).

2020-21 - 41.2% of 17 taken.
2019-20 - 51.7% of 172 taken.
2018-19 - 55.6% of 90 taken.
2017-18 - 54.3% of 219 taken.
2016-17 - 46.1% of 811 taken.
2015-16 - 46.1% of 347 taken.

When Bennett is predominantly a center and taking draws against other centers, his stats aren't great. Coming in from the wing to take draws Bennett does much better, probably because of facing weaker competition in the dot.

Maybe, just maybe, it has more to do with the fact that he was 19 and 20 in the first two years of his career, and had to gain muscle and faceoff skill.

And maybe a seventeen faceoff sample size from a guy coming off a tricep injury might be useless.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Face off Bennet is neither the problem with Bennett, nor the silver lining of Bennett. Not really sure why it would be a discussion.

Glad he is playing well now. Still think he is at best a third line grinder, which has value but only limited value.