01-25-2017, 07:29 AM
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#801
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Repealing ACA
Restricting abortion
Building a wall
Persecution of muslims
All moved/moving incrementally forward, and it's only been a week.
Those are the ones I can think of at least.
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I mean, the best was the picture of the seven old white guys standing behind Trump as he signed the EO restricting funding of abortion services - because life matters - when these same old white guys are repealing the ACA, which is estimated to hasten the deaths of nearly 44,000 people every year.
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01-25-2017, 07:34 AM
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#802
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Is there a limit to the number of presidential executive orders ?
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01-25-2017, 07:34 AM
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#803
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They are going to tear up trade deals and start putting big tariffs on imports. Which will result in retaliatory tariffs being applied on US goods going abroad. It's a worry for a company I work for given 80% of our manufacturing is US based but sales are 50% international. Retaliatory tariffs could allow competitors to take over those international markets. Then what? Do we instead move manufacturing out to those countries? A possibility but I'm not important enough to make those decisions.
The flipside is we report to the street in USD so while all this happens the dollar may very well get slaughtered and we'll "win" on the exchange rate.
It'll be interesting to see how companies respond but there is a very real chance their plans to "save" american business is going to result in far more shuttering of factories than openings of new ones.
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01-25-2017, 07:35 AM
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#804
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hes
Is there a limit to the number of presidential executive orders ?
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Executive order #1. Remove the limit on executive orders. It's just like the 3 wishes hack!
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01-25-2017, 07:47 AM
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#805
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Location: California
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Originally Posted by New Era
These executive orders are over-reaching. If you review Obama's executive orders the majority of them were designed to improve the human condition. So far Trump's have been ideological horse####.
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Are you arguing that the affect of the executive order should affect the legality of the ex cuticle order or am I misinterpreting what you are saying?
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01-25-2017, 07:48 AM
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#806
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Referee
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hes
Is there a limit to the number of presidential executive orders ?
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Not really, and if we are being fair it is pretty clear that both Bush and Alabama paved the way for Trump to do everything in this way belt expanding the traditional reach of executive orders considerably over their own 8-year terms. It's a pickle, because it's the only real way for the President to do anything in a policy sense (unilaterally anyway) and waiting for Congress to do something sensible is sort of like waiting for a bear to dance. You can teach him to do it, but it takes a long time, he doesn't want to do it, and at the end of that process "success" kind of looks like an unexpected new brand of failure.
But on the other hand, the US is SUPPOSED to have a weak executive. That is how the system is designed. Weighing it down with piles of executive orders is sort of an end-run around the constitutional separation of powers. But it really isn't fair to blame Trump for that, at least not completely. There has been significant "executive-creep" over the last 16 years, which at the time was probably justified (or may have seemed justified anyway) by Congressional gridlock. Now everyone reaps what they have sown, I guess.
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01-25-2017, 07:50 AM
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#807
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It's amazing how much of democracy is actually custom rather than law. Makes sense while the application of democracy seems to fail in states where it is imposed rather than demanda d by the people.
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01-25-2017, 07:55 AM
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#808
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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New York Times has obtained a draft of Trump's executive order titled "Detention and Interrogation of Enemy Combatants" which will allow the CIA to have 'Black Site' prisons again.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/u...?smid=tw-share
Last edited by sureLoss; 01-25-2017 at 07:58 AM.
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01-25-2017, 08:04 AM
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#809
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The Emancipation Proclamation, Desegregation of the Armed Forces, the New Deal and the EPA were created by executive order, so they can be used for good.
Of course, so were Japanese Internment Camps and the Appropriation Act (which allowed for the forceful removal of Native Americans form their homes).
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 01-25-2017 at 08:22 AM.
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01-25-2017, 08:08 AM
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#810
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan
But on the other hand, the US is SUPPOSED to have a weak executive. That is how the system is designed. Weighing it down with piles of executive orders is sort of an end-run around the constitutional separation of powers.
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Sort of like how (federal) politicians take an oath to uphold the Constitution, and then do everything in their power (and then some) to completely ignore it.
At this point, the Constitution is just an old sheet of paper.
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01-25-2017, 08:13 AM
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On the weekend once this barrage of orders is complete, someone should do a post-mortem and see what year he's pushed the country back to. I'm guessing sometime in the early 1990s.
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01-25-2017, 08:20 AM
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#812
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I saw a dude on TV last night that was a linguistics professor, and he said that when you listen to Trump, pretend he is 12 years old, he will make more sense to you
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01-25-2017, 08:24 AM
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#813
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
On the weekend once this barrage of orders is complete, someone should do a post-mortem and see what year he's pushed the country back to. I'm guessing sometime in the early 1990s.
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MAGA was the Clinton years?
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01-25-2017, 08:31 AM
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#814
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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"Tom Malinowski, who was assistant secretary of state for human rights in the Obama administration, said the draft order showed that everyone who thought the office of the presidency or the advice of cabinet secretaries like Mr. Mattis would temper Mr. Trump “is being shown wrong again.”
“He’ll listen to his worst instincts over his best advisers unless restrained by law,” Mr. Malinowski said.
Scariest part of that article!
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01-25-2017, 08:47 AM
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#815
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01-25-2017, 08:50 AM
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#816
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Looooooooooooooch
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Damn I (almost) feel sorry for her. She looked so miserable.
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01-25-2017, 08:53 AM
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#817
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Good article about Trump laying the groundwork to restrict voting rights with his patently false mass voter fraud arguments. His barrage of lies and falsehoods only serve to further the cause of removing rights from those they believe would oppose them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.0e20160e00ba
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01-25-2017, 09:09 AM
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#818
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hes
Is there a limit to the number of presidential executive orders ?
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**Edit...I pasted a pretty old list. Obama ended up with 275.
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01-25-2017, 09:15 AM
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#819
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
**Edit...I pasted a pretty old list. Obama ended up with 275.
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in 8 years, not 4
"“We have an increasingly lawless presidency where he is actually doing the job of Congress, writing new policies and new laws without going through Congress. Presidents don't write laws, Congress does,” Paul Ryan told ABC. “Executive orders are one thing, but executive orders that actually change the statute, that's totally different.”"
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Last edited by DuffMan; 01-25-2017 at 09:17 AM.
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01-25-2017, 09:15 AM
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#820
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour
**Edit...I pasted a pretty old list. Obama ended up with 275.
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275 still puts him at the bottom of the list for presidents that served 2 full terms.
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