2012 NFL Season Thread

[Pagal4321]

Umm, hey, so I wasn't just dreaming that the Vikings beat the Niners?!

Awesome!!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Ha! I thought I was the only one who noticed this. More replacement ref comedy:

http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/09/...res/#more-6343

That is freaking brilliant, and such a great microchasm of what the hell the replacement officials are doing to the game.

It is beyond absurd.

[PeteLFan]

That is hilarious. The NFL should be ashamed of what's going on.

[transplant99]

Also just read that in the Titans/Lions OT, the refs marched of a 27 yd penalty against the Lions instead of a 15 yarder like it was supposed to be. The Titans kicked their winning FG shortly after. How in the blazing gates of hell does an official not know where the line of scrimmage is/was when there are chains for just that purpose?

Just incredible.

[The Big Chill]

A couple of random thoughts about the AFC South that i doubt anyone will care about:

1) The fall of Chris Johnson is pretty incredible. He has had a horrendous start to this season, with 33 carries for 45 yards, or 1.4 yards per carry.

2) I find it crazy how Indy have thrown Luck right into the fire already. He is among the league leader in pass attempts, throwing the ball as much as the likes of Vick, Stafford and Roethlisberger. I imagine its partly due to their lack of a rushing attack, but I really thought they would have sheltered him a bit more early on, as most teams do with their rookies.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by themedicineman

Especially the Pierre Thomas touchdown reversal was horrendous. Huge missed holding call on Charles big run, Wilson was bear hugged for 7 yards down the field. Oh and at least 2 big time OPI that went uncalled. The Saints haven't played well but I'm of the firm belief we'd be 2-1 with competent officials.

Actually, you'd be 3-0 with a competent defense. Blame the officials all you want, but the Saints are on pace to have one of the worst defenses of all-time. They might give up an average of 500 yards a game at this point. There isn't a team in the NFL that can play that kind of defense and exepct to be anything other than 0-3.

And lets be real, everyone acting like it'd be 100 times better with the real refs are just kidding themselves. They'd be missing calls and making terrible calls as well. I could make an argument Tampa would be 3-0 with real refs, but that would be forgiving an atrocious defensive performance an an ugodly offensive one. Blamming the refs is a cheap excuse to ignore your own teams pathetic performances.

[themedicineman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Actually, you'd be 3-0 with a competent defense. Blame the officials all you want, but the Saints are on pace to have one of the worst defenses of all-time. They might give up an average of 500 yards a game at this point. There isn't a team in the NFL that can play that kind of defense and exepct to be anything other than 0-3.

And lets be real, everyone acting like it'd be 100 times better with the real refs are just kidding themselves. They'd be missing calls and making terrible calls as well. I could make an argument Tampa would be 3-0 with real refs, but that would be forgiving an atrocious defensive performance an an ugodly offensive one. Blamming the refs is a cheap excuse to ignore your own teams pathetic performances.

Did I say we were playing well? 14 points were given to the redskins by the refs on terrible calls. And a td that would have won the game for us was called back in the Chiefs game that never would have been called back with competent officials. We still would have lost the Carolina game the same way we did. Never said we'd be 3-0. Also the offense and drew cost us this game. 70 yards of offense and a brutal interception in the second half is what let that game even get close.

[Senator Clay Davis]

But when you go with the "Well this one specific horrible call cost us the game" line, it's just too far fetched for me. Sure, maybe they made a terrible call that cost the Saints a TD. But you then assume that everything else in the game would go the exact same, which is foolish. The opponents game plan and approach might be radically different if that call was made. The refs have been bad, but every team can probably point to a few calls that cost them a game so far.

[transplant99]

How is this for a stat?

"Over the last 10 seasons, the Seahawks rank second in the league in home-road point differential behind only the Ravens. The Seahawks have outscored opponents at home by 428 points since 2003, while they have been outscored by 359 points on the road in that span, a difference of 787 points."

[themedicineman]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

But when you go with the "Well this one specific horrible call cost us the game" line, it's just too far fetched for me. Sure, maybe they made a terrible call that cost the Saints a TD. But you then assume that everything else in the game would go the exact same, which is foolish. The opponents game plan and approach might be radically different if that call was made. The refs have been bad, but every team can probably point to a few calls that cost them a game so far.

It's not just one specific it's a list of 3-4 calls in both games.

[transplant99]

Joe Mays of the Brocos facing a 1 game suspension for his hit on Schaub....good, as that was just uncalled for.

[The Big Chill]

I know the refs have much some pretty bad mistakes, but I think that it is really getting blown out of proportion. These stats are from before the weekend, so I don't know how much they have changed after the latest games, but here they are:

The perception seems to be flags are flying indiscriminately. And yet:

• The average number of penalties per game is down from 15.2 to 14.7.

• On player-safety calls, such as roughing the passer; unnecessary roughness, including hitting defenseless players; and, face-mask or horse-collar violations, the calls are nearly even: 75 this year, 74 last.

• Instant replay reviews are way up, an increase of 16. But the percentage of reversals is way down: 23 this year out of 62 as opposed to 21 of 46 in 2011.

• Defensive pass interference and illegal contact penalties are up, but only from 48 to 51, surprising because of the hubbub raised on the airwaves about the lack of such calls.

Offensive players believe the replacements are concentrating on pass interference penalties against them, not against defensive backs. The numbers: six such calls this season to nine through two weeks last year.

...

Average time of game is about six minutes longer in 2012 than in 2011, and with only one overtime game in the opening two weeks -- same as last year -- extra periods can't be blamed. More likely, the time it takes to properly administrate penalties throughout the game is the cause.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...ular-refs-same

Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the real refs back, I just don't believe the problem is nearly as bad as it is being made out to be.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Joe Mays of the Brocos facing a 1 game suspension for his hit on Schaub....good, as that was just uncalled for.

I'm actually a little surprised its only one, that was an ugly hit.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

And it doesn't matter. Stadiums are full, Sundays are still spent in front of the television. The NFL's attitude appears to be that they don't care and that their game is so entrenched that it won't make a difference when it comes to their bottom line. They're right.

That is likely true, but people have their breaking points.

I'm a pretty big NFL fan, and I do not miss too many Sundays. Usually its a family function that prevents me from watching football if anything. In cases like that, i'm frantically checking my phone for results.

This past Sunday I did not watch a down of football. I checked my fantasy team after the 2nd round of games. Seen the results of my horrible team, and spent the rest of my evening doing my own thing.

The first two weeks have been so infuriating as a fan that I had no desire to sit thru the games this Sunday, maybe next Sunday will be different. The stoppage of plays to figure things out. The missed calls. All the after the whistle scrums. Players and coaches working the refs for calls. 55 Real time mins for 1 quarter of football? This is not entertaining.

I contribute very little money to the NFL, so I'm definitely not hurting them that way. I've been an NFL fan for 25+ years and this is the only time I can recall getting this fed up with the league.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

I know the refs have much some pretty bad mistakes, but I think that it is really getting blown out of proportion. These stats are from before the weekend, so I don't know how much they have changed after the latest games, but here they are:



http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...ular-refs-same

Don't get me wrong, I would rather have the real refs back, I just don't believe the problem is nearly as bad as it is being made out to be.

Its actually got little to do with the flags thrown IMO.

Its got everything to do with having no idea about the simplest aspects of the game.

They dont know rules, they call things that simply arent happening, they lose track of timeouts, they are receiving no respect from players or coaches because of these kinds of things and that is leading to games getting out of control which then leads to player safety issues.

The ridiculous amount of reviews is the single biggest "tell" about the jobs they are doing. Iknow they are doing their best, but it painfully obvious they are way way way too far out of their element to be anywhere near acceptable.

Its a complete gong show.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Its actually got little to do with the flags thrown IMO.

Its got everything to do with having no idea about the simplest aspects of the game.

They dont know rules, they call things that simply arent happening, they lose track of timeouts, they are receiving no respect from players or coaches because of these kinds of things and that is leading to games getting out of control which then leads to player safety issues.

The ridiculous amount of reviews is the single biggest "tell" about the jobs they are doing. Iknow they are doing their best, but it painfully obvious they are way way way too far out of their element to be anywhere near acceptable.

Its a complete gong show.

The amount of reversals was pretty much the same despite the amount of reviews going up. The amount of reviews only suggest that coaches are throwing the flag more often do to not trusting the officials.

The game management has definitely been a big issue, but things like counting timeouts and placing the ball correctly every time will only get better given more time.

That being said, the replacement refs won't work long term because they simply haven't been able to gain the respect of players, coaches, fans etc.

[PeteLFan]

I missed the Tampa ref mess up throwing his hat and ogletree slipped on it missed td.

[transplant99]

man that Bruce Irvin looks like he is gonna be a beast of a player....i have never seen Bulaga get manhandled like that before...very impressive.

[PeteLFan]

How is Seattle on Monday night? Shameful.

[transplant99]

If this game is won or lost in the trenches, then GB is in a world of hurt.