2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Toonage]

^^ I don't think he is the reason that Buffalo sucks but being disgruntled for so long has to have seeped into his game which will affect everyone he plays with.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah If I’m Buffalo ownership I’d be firing the coach and GM before I think of trading Eichel.

Kind of similar to here in that I’m not sure Phil Housely and Ralph Kruger are the coaches I’d trust to be coaching the team prior to making a franchise altering trade.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah If I’m Buffalo ownership I’d be firing the coach and GM before I think of trading Eichel.

Kind of similar to here in that I’m not sure Phil Housely and Ralph Kruger are the coaches I’d trust to be coaching the team prior to making a franchise altering trade.

Yeah, but how many coaches and GMs do they get to fire before Eichel says #### you guys, trade me now?

They've already burned through half of his prime years and he hasn't even been close to the playoffs.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by New Era

How the hell are two players who are 14th and 18th in scoring at their positions over their careers, and a measly 21 points apart, not be considered in the same range? It isn't pumping Monahan's tires, its pumping the breaks on the gross misrepresentation of what Jack Eichel is. He is talked about here like he's in the same class as McDavid and Crosby, which he is clearly not. When you are 158 points behind a guy in scoring you are not in the same class. When you're only 21 points apart from a guy, you're in the same conversation.

I guess Monahan + a 2nd or 3rd should get it done then, hey? Not even close, because Eichel is a much better player.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is worth noting that Sean Monahan is the #30 highest paid centre in the NHL. I would say that is a high-end second-line centre salary, and a low-end top-line centre salary. It feels just about right for Monahan, who is somewhere between an average top-line centre and a great second-line centre.

I think Monahan gets a lot of vitriol because he was good in his first 3 years and got a high salary long term contract. Barkov and McKinnon signed for less money and term and became better players. Even Mark Schiefele can fit into that mix as they all signed in the same offseason. So Monahan has not returned the value that those other three have.

Granted come next contract those 3 will all easily be able to get 10 plus as 28 to 30 year old guys who would be UFA. Monahan likely falls more in the 7 to 7.5 million dollar range. No doubt you take any of the other 3 over him for what they have since done and the eventual increase they will demand.

What Monahan is paid is not really the issue. It's what his peers got paid and grew into compared to himself and how it's perceived that I think is.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Here are teams around the NHL that I don't think Monahan fits even as a 2nd line C:

Tampa
St. Louis
Toronto
Las Vegas
Washington
Edmonton
Philly
Pittsburgh
Vancouver (debatable)
Winnipeg

Here's my list:

Tampa
Toronto
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Pittsburgh

I think there is lots of debate to be had about where Monahan would rank on the depth chart on virtually every one of the five remaining teams I have not included.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think Monahan gets a lot of vitriol because he was good in his first 3 years and got a high salary long term contract. Barkov and McKinnon signed for less money and term and became better players. Even Mark Schiefele can fit into that mix as they all signed in the same offseason. So Monahan has not returned the value that those other three have.

Granted come next contract those 3 will all easily be able to get 10 plus as 28 to 30 year old guys who would be UFA. Monahan likely falls more in the 7 to 7.5 million dollar range. No doubt you take any of the other 3 over him for what they have since done and the eventual increase they will demand.

What Monahan is paid is not really the issue. It's what his peers got paid and grew into compared to himself and how it's perceived that I think is.

Exactly this. The summer Monahan/Barkov/Mackinnon/Scheifele all signed their second deals, Monahan had demonstrated the most out of any of them, and subsequently was the highest paid. Since then the other three all developed into Hart candidate superstars and Monahan is arguably a more one-dimensional player than he was the day he signed.

It’s a Bennett issue too, which compounds the frustration. He hasn’t developed at all since stepping onto NHL ice. Tkachuk looks like he may be following the same path as well.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I think Monahan gets a lot of vitriol because he was good in his first 3 years and got a high salary long term contract. Barkov and McKinnon signed for less money and term and became better players. Even Mark Schiefele can fit into that mix as they all signed in the same offseason. So Monahan has not returned the value that those other three have.

Granted come next contract those 3 will all easily be able to get 10 plus as 28 to 30 year old guys who would be UFA. Monahan likely falls more in the 7 to 7.5 million dollar range. No doubt you take any of the other 3 over him for what they have since done and the eventual increase they will demand.

What Monahan is paid is not really the issue. It's what his peers got paid and grew into compared to himself and how it's perceived that I think is.

Exactly right. I tend to think a lot of people still translate 2015 value into the modern contract landscape. $6.0 m is no longer sure-fire top-line production.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Exactly this. The summer Monahan/Barkov/Mackinnon/Scheifele all signed their second deals, Monahan had demonstrated the most out of any of them, and subsequently was the highest paid. Since then the other three all developed into Hart candidate superstars and Monahan is arguably a more one-dimensional player than he was the day he signed...

Let's not get carried away. MacKinnon is a Hart Trophy candidate superstar; Barkov might be, but Scheifele is no where near that same level.

...Also, suggesting that Tkachuk "may be following the same [development] path as [Sam Bennett]" is laughably pessimistic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Exactly this. The summer Monahan/Barkov/Mackinnon/Scheifele all signed their second deals, Monahan had demonstrated the most out of any of them, and subsequently was the highest paid. Since then the other three all developed into Hart candidate superstars and Monahan is arguably a more one-dimensional player than he was the day he signed.

It’s a Bennett issue too, which compounds the frustration. He hasn’t developed at all since stepping onto NHL ice. Tkachuk looks like he may be following the same path as well.

I can find people who said at the time that the Barkov contract was a “massive overpay”. Funny.

Barkov and even Scheifele are not quite Hart candidates, though they are all legit 1Cs and a tier above Monahan.

[GioforPM]

Speaking of Barkov, there’s been a lot of interest in him by teams getting a head start based on the suspicion he doesn’t want to re-sign. Maybe the team success has taken a little off of that, but he’s in a Gaudreau-like situation where people think he wants to move. Except it’s actually contractually easier to trade him next season because he has a full NMC now and next year he gets a 12 team NT list.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Exactly right. I tend to think a lot of people still translate 2015 value into the modern contract landscape. $6.0 m is no longer sure-fire top-line production.

6M is a 60 point player

Mackinnon turned out to be a bargain...if he was due for a contract right now he would be getting 12M

although he has the same amount of goals as Lucic

[1qqaaz]

Scheifele is extremely consistent on a season-to-season basis. The bad thing about being extremely consistent is that you never have amazing one-in-a-lifetime seasons that make people think you have amazing potential.

[Psytic]

We wont get either of them. I think we have to settle for another 1B that maybe is a better line driver or someone young that hasn't broken out yet on a team trying to skip ahead on their rebuild. I just dont see the Flames winning any bidding war where half the league is bidding on Barkov or Eichel. Or if they do win half the team is traded away and leaves them with no net gain. This org isn't perceived to be that much more of a winner than Buff or Florida either. If they aren't willing to sign long term there, its wishful thinking they think any better of the Flames.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Psytic

We wont get either of them. I think we have to settle for another 1B that maybe is a better line driver or someone young that hasn't broken out yet on a team trying to skip ahead on their rebuild. I just dont see the Flames winning any bidding war where half the league is bidding on Barkov or Eichel. Or if they do win half the team is traded away and leaves them with no net gain. This org isn't perceived to be that much more of a winner than Buff or Florida either. If they aren't willing to sign long term there, its wishful thinking they think any better of the Flames.

Flames have a better shot at Eichel than Barkov, frankly. Barkov can control his destination, and more teams can afford him right now.

[Bonded]

Lindholm - Monahan - Backlund is decent center depth if you have the wings to balance them out. Issue is that the Flames have zero RW depth, 2 are replacement level at best, and the other 2 are playing their off wing.

I'd love to flip some LWs for RWs assuming we cannot get a better centre.

[dammage79]

Getting a decent middle 6 caliber RW would be great. Bargain bin hunting sucks (Leivo/Simon/Nordstrom)

[dino7c]

Nordstrom is a PKer and a 4th liner...he is fine. Its when you play guys in the top six that aren't top six players

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Here's my list:

Tampa
Toronto
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Pittsburgh

I think there is lots of debate to be had about where Monahan would rank on the depth chart on virtually every one of the five remaining teams I have not included.

and I would take WPG off that.

For his point to stand, both Cs have to be clearly better than Monahan. That doesn't apply with WPG, IMO.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

and I would take WPG off that.

For his point to stand, both Cs have to be clearly better than Monahan. That doesn't apply with WPG, IMO.

I bet every GM in the league would take Dubois over Monny in a heartbeat. And that's not even factoring in control and contracts.